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 Post subject: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 10:02 
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So looks like all of us learnt a lot from this cup.
The DEVS, the players both.
I think the DEVS gained much more experience from this cup than anything else.
The cup finally pointed to the game weak points(rush example).

So i suggest to make a new official cup as soon as possible at WALB.
Its like a big beta test but even more serious and better.
No need to be even so big prized.

Here are my suggestions:


1. Some symbolic entry fee (2-5-10 EURO). It would probably terminate the no shows, the double entries, and it could be the prize too

2. Make best of 3 not single elimination! So probably the better player will goes tru.

3. Make regions like FIFA. USA/ASIA/EASTERN EUROPE/WESTERN EUROPE

From each region best players goes to the final.

With this system we solve most of the the time zone problem, and we could play 3-4 rounds in a single weekend. I think everyone agree this cup is too long. Almost half year.

4. Better randomizeing with entries

5. Stricter rules: Only games with correct names, maps , modes should be allowed. No exceptions.
Players MUST add eachother at steam to prevent smurfing.


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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 10:44 
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Very good point! +1

But one thing - this rushing is a "nothing to loose all to win" strategy, if you pay like 10€ to enter the tourny, I doubt it would be present like that..

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 10:45 
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bretts wrote:
The cup finally pointed to the game weak points(rush example).

Yeah, it's either rushing or arty-camping. Seeing neither of those is pretty rare :roll:

But your proposals are nice, making a cup really early would probably be too much (not enough training for players) but organizing a cup "for fun" during the beta could be pretty usefull.

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 10:51 
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bretts wrote:
So looks like all of us learnt a lot from this cup.
The DEVS, the players both.
I think the DEVS gained much more experience from this cup than anything else.


I don't know if the devs even follow what is going on in this cup since they don't organize it. Focus is not Eugen Systems.

bretts wrote:
The cup finally pointed to the game weak points(rush example).

Weak points (including arty camping and all Destruction mode flaws) pointed at by players like DarrickS for months and months.


Anyway, good proposal you made here. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 12:43 
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Organizing the first round with pools would solve much of the issues since the number of winners would have been fixed despite disqualifications.

And yeah, registration on actual identities would just be fair considering how many people are inflicted with dissociative identity disorder...

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 13:37 
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making a cup really early would probably be too much


I think 1 or 2 month is enough.
The sooner the better because the cup will point to the game deficiencies.
We could call this warmup cup or pre-cup with symbolic prizes before the Wargame cup 2013.

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don't know if the devs even follow what is going on in this cup since they don't organize it. Focus is not Eugen Systems.


Well they definitely watching the cup because will have a patch which hopefully change a lot of things.

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Weak points (including arty camping and all Destruction mode flaws) pointed at by players like DarrickS for months and months.


I know but when hunders of people says the same they listen.
Its sad but this is how the things working.


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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
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The patch was already on its way before the cup I think. We can ask them but I don't think they watched even one match of the cup.

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 15:15 
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Ho I've a better idea.

All ask to the dev to stream some of their game in ranked.
I'm curious to know that they will say about their game once KikooRoxor2685, 14 year old, 1900 elo of helo spam, will pwn them.

But, its a nice try for this game.

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013 15:57 
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What should be expected from organisers of ALB CUP imo:
-coordination with devs (so that there will be no stupid mechanics like inf running away)

-actually consider how they will organise the CUP

-grab the FIRST and most elegant opportunity possible to correct bracket errors and not delaying them and then making excuses

-have some sense when it comes to interference with static bracket (oh you took 3 people from the bracket and broke it... scramble the bracket or at least put newly made group somewhere in the bracket at random not slapping it at the bottom)

-actually stick to the rules they set

Entry fee seems rather not appropriate. People from all over the world sign up for the CUP and some of them don't have the means to transfer the money.

And I don't know if there will be enough people to play that region thing.

Also it would be all OK with this cup if it would be played by those 600 something people they signed up originally because they visit the forum and actually care about the game a little.

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 Post subject: Re: Wargame cup in WALB
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It was a little obnoxious to have 1400 or so players in the tournament. Also how the prizes were setup was kind of odd.

Since it was advertised that the first round winners get a free game you saw a relatively good turn out for the first round... and a relatively poor showing for the second showing. It didn't have the proper incentives.

Realistically it should have been a reward for every single round with small incidental improvements in what you are getting. So first round might be a $10 game (which isn't too bad when a game goes on sale 75% off). Then add another $10 to the steam wallet. Then another $10, so on and so forth. By Round 5 you've given away the same thing you gave away in Round 1 (a $50 game) but now you have people working to win it... as opposed to just showing up.

Also I don't think waiting is a good strategy for the tournament. The tournament should be announced (if it's going to happen) to happen a month or so after the game launches. If some "noobie" wins the whole thing, who cares.. good on him.

Launching the game with a tournament establishes the eSports community with the game. Realistically if W:EE launched with a tournament you would have found all of the flaws in the game early that 1000 people all trying their hardest to win can find.

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