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PostPosted: Sat 18 Feb 2012 23:00 
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The only thing I've really noted so far as a major exclusion for the British is any form of the Rapier anti-air missile - there is no British AA in game, which is a bit sad. If the objection is to having towed weapon systems, there was always the Tracked Rapier with an 8-missile mount on the already in-game M113 APC.

It would have made a good mid/high tier anti-air missile as the next tier of long-range missile defence up from the Chaparral; since it would have its balancing features - namely high pricing and being really slow (wikipedia at least notes it only managed 15km/h off-road!).

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Feb 2012 23:12 
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DoktorvonWer wrote:
The only thing I've really noted so far as a major exclusion for the British is any form of the Rapier anti-air missile - there is no British AA in game, which is a bit sad. If the objection is to having towed weapon systems, there was always the Tracked Rapier with an 8-missile mount on the already in-game M113 APC.

The case of the Tracked Rapier has already been adressed in earlier thread.
Indeed there were some, but they were originally intended for export only (to Iran), and only came into British Army armory after the Iranian Revolution canceled the deal.
BAOR relied mostly on the superiority of the RAF to cover clear the sky from any flying Soviet, with mostly fixed/towed Rapier here and there to fight off the few intruder which could bypass the RAF watch.

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Feb 2012 23:44 
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[EUG]MadMat wrote:
DoktorvonWer wrote:
The only thing I've really noted so far as a major exclusion for the British is any form of the Rapier anti-air missile - there is no British AA in game, which is a bit sad. If the objection is to having towed weapon systems, there was always the Tracked Rapier with an 8-missile mount on the already in-game M113 APC.

The case of the Tracked Rapier has already been adressed in earlier thread.
Indeed there were some, but they were originally intended for export only (to Iran), and only came into British Army armory after the Iranian Revolution canceled the deal.
BAOR relied mostly on the superiority of the RAF to cover clear the sky from any flying Soviet, with mostly fixed/towed Rapier here and there to fight off the few intruder which could bypass the RAF watch.


A better answer would be 'it's not worth adding', which would be fair enough... Because the fact that the British Army only came by them by accident doesn't really make a difference to the fact that they got them :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb 2012 14:21 
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The L85A1 / SA80A1 Was coming into service between 85-92 so.....


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 Post subject: Re: British units?
PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb 2012 14:25 
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[EUG]MadMat wrote:
DoktorvonWer wrote:
The only thing I've really noted so far as a major exclusion for the British is any form of the Rapier anti-air missile - there is no British AA in game, which is a bit sad. If the objection is to having towed weapon systems, there was always the Tracked Rapier with an 8-missile mount on the already in-game M113 APC.

The case of the Tracked Rapier has already been adressed in earlier thread.
Indeed there were some, but they were originally intended for export only (to Iran), and only came into British Army armory after the Iranian Revolution canceled the deal


So was the intention for the Challenger 1 as the UK pursued another replacement for the cheiftan after the revolution the deal was taken up by the UK

http://www.tanknutdave.com/component/content/article/48

Originally called the 'Shir 1' & 'Shir 2

"The Shir 1 was starting production at this point as Iran had ordered 125 and an improved "Shir-2" was due to start as 1225 were ordered. So the British Army picked up the order for the Shir-2 in limited numbers so they could have an MBT fitted with the new Chobham armour, whilst a development program still continued for a new MB"

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The air force on both sides rebelled early on and have taken their aircraft to antarctica where they will now play bingo until the war is over.


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 Post subject: Re: British units?
PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb 2012 14:29 
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RoyalHants wrote:
[EUG]MadMat wrote:
DoktorvonWer wrote:
The only thing I've really noted so far as a major exclusion for the British is any form of the Rapier anti-air missile - there is no British AA in game, which is a bit sad. If the objection is to having towed weapon systems, there was always the Tracked Rapier with an 8-missile mount on the already in-game M113 APC.

The case of the Tracked Rapier has already been adressed in earlier thread.
Indeed there were some, but they were originally intended for export only (to Iran), and only came into British Army armory after the Iranian Revolution canceled the deal


So was the intention for the Challenger 1 as the UK pursued another replacement for the cheiftan after the revolution the deal was taken up by the UK

http://www.tanknutdave.com/component/content/article/48

Originally called the 'Shir 1' & 'Shir 2

"The Shir 1 was starting production at this point as Iran had ordered 125 and an improved "Shir-2" was due to start as 1225 were ordered. So the British Army picked up the order for the Shir-2 in limited numbers so they could have an MBT fitted with the new Chobham armour, whilst a development program still continued for a new MB"


A good point. I don't think modding is going to be possible, but if it is, I'll be looking into making a tracked Rapier; it really does fit.


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb 2012 17:34 
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Im surprised that the Centurion tanks are not being used in the game. They were in use during this period.


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 Post subject: Re: British units?
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I think small arms aren't well modelled in the game compare to bigger things. I still don't see much difference if I use M16 or L1A1 despite varied difference except for accuracy and not HE Power.

I'm curious to see why the Sterling-Patchett is not in the game? It was a well used SMG like the MAT-49.


Fair point, but how the UK used them was more as backup weapon, and it was more the Paras than regulars that used -and the accuracy of them was shocking. Couldn't hit the side of a barn with them.


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I am bit surprised of the lack of the old FV432 tracked carriers for the brits. The Saracen was really olde worlde in the 80's. It would be nice to see it in the game in the future. Or even some of its many variants, the wombat 120 mm variant, the swingfire version and the version with the scimitar 30mm rarden cannon.


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 Post subject: Re: British units?
PostPosted: Mon 27 Feb 2012 15:41 
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I am bit surprised of the lack of the old FV432 tracked carriers for the brits. The Saracen was really olde worlde in the 80's. It would be nice to see it in the game in the future. Or even some of its many variants, the wombat 120 mm variant, the swingfire version and the version with the scimitar 30mm rarden cannon.

Actually, the variant with the 30mm Rarden canon is ingame, under the name "FV432 Rarden" (in the "Vehicles" category). It is an infantry support vehicle, not a transport.

We've made sure that every nation got at least one wheeled & one tracked transport (Fuchs/Marder ; VAB/AMX-10P ; Saracen/Spartan ; SKOT/TOPAS ; ...). Some like the US only have tracked ones, while the Soviet have more different types because such were their doctrines.
Now, as for the UK and the "standard" transport FV432, what would have been the point? FV432 would have be even less armored, much slower and not much better armed than the Spartan. As you said, Saracen is pretty old (even if it did a striking come back in Northern Ireland in the 70's and may be even 80's), so we'd rather give the British a more modern tracked one, the Spartan, to even things.

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