not too crazy for airstrikes but a middle east campaign would be interesting especially with events like the 6 day war of Israel who initially got Soviet arms from the Czechs and later from the US as the Soviets began to back the arabs also more terrain features e.g bigger hills sand dunes cliffs possible mountains or partial mountains etc.

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How to derail a thread with style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o

I hate to bring it to you, but W:EE didn't create enough interest and enough monies despite high ratings, so the economical situation demands from ES to move on to the next game, wich they most likely have done at this point. That's not to say there won't be a DLC forthcoming eventually, but the game is pretty much over. The old classic: Good game that noone plays.

Strange... I have someone to play with every night...






...yeah, yeah... I know what you mean...

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Air Force and AA defense of NSWP NEED URGENT FIX!!!

You realise what this means? Their next game is probably going to be more mainstream, simpler and will most likely feel dumbed down to W:EE players.

One of the ES devs said that with Wargame, they were trying to make the gameplay more hardcore. Sadly, it was probably the last time.

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I hope not, man i blame the economy lol. seriously though Maybe it's just American development studios but it seems no one has the balls to make a game for the sake of being a good game. It sucks when a great game comes out and actually challenges someone and requires some sort of IQ to play, then people don't play it. So all the money goes to games like C&C with their mindless tank spam or even worse the COD's of the world, gamers cry for realism but flock to COD. The closest thing to a sim shooter on Console is operation flashpoint which 1 out of 8 people will hear of and while on PC you have other options but still nonetheless. Every genre of game being made has to mimic one that had success and make the entire gaming industry plain vanilla. I like Eugen for taking such a huge risk making a game more realistic than the ever tank spammage or zerg spam of traditional RTS's

I hope that the other games they are working on ( i heard on a forum they were working on two at the time) follow the same trend of what they got going on now

I do tend to agree with your points. However there are quite a few games which are fairly mainstream (I wouldn't want them to be any more mainstream) but still have realism, thought, and complexity involved. I can think of Grand Strategy games, Total War series of games, ArmA series (and classic OFP), and Men of War (first few, the last ones suck) to name a few. For a more casual relaxed game Eugen System's own Act of War: High Treason is amazing!

On the Eugen Systems official webpage they state they are working on two simultaneous RTS games both due out for launch next year.

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Congratulations to all those involved in making W:AB a truly amazing game. There is nothing else like it and I am sure it will get much positive attention.

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I do tend to agree with your points. However there are quite a few games which are fairly mainstream (I wouldn't want them to be any more mainstream) but still have realism, thought, and complexity involved. I can think of Grand Strategy games, Total War series of games, ArmA series (and classic OFP), and Men of War (first few, the last ones suck) to name a few. For a more casual relaxed game Eugen System's own Act of War: High Treason is amazing!

On the Eugen Systems official webpage they state they are working on two simultaneous RTS games both due out for launch next year.[/quote]

Total war i guess you can say it's fairly mainstream but yet in still it's still Total war. It's not Command and Conquor with a little realism and if your a fan of traditional RTS's you may not find this appealing because it's not a traditional RTS. Games like Starcraft and Command and Conquor and even RUSE strike me as mainstream RTS's

Arma doesn't strike me as mainstream either. Even though it's popular i don't consider it mainstream

My definition of mainstream is the median trend of a genere which sees the most sales which causes other games and the perception of gamers set a standard to. COD is a mainstream shooter in one way or another other shooters measure up against COD gamers will use COD as a measurement of what they expect in a shooter.

Thats just my definition may be right may be wrong but in this generation of gaming the industry has really become a mulit million dollar business and lets face it sometimes complex and realistic doesn't always translate to "fun" to a major audience. often times producers and gaming companies are now confined to what will make sales as opposed to taking a risk to make something unique.

Total War hasn't been quite right for a great number of years now...it stopped being interesting after the Viking Invasion expansion for the 1st Medieval Total War. Since then, the AI's been largely poor and easily beatable, and multiplayer has never regained the sparkle of the the pre-RTW 1 days. Post-Rome, its been more of a commercial success, but has never (for me) recaptured the magic and enjoyable difficulty of the early games. They've shifted more towards the commercial "us and them" relationship with their audience. Imagine now that the CA dev team would ask for the leading MP players to advise, test, report and retest balance patches (as happened for the 1.2 Shogun 1 patch IIRC)

A better example are the Paradox Interactive games, Hearts of Iron, Vicky, EU III, are all incredibly niche but endlessly entertaining games that refuse to conform to the modern cashcow model, but have a vociferous and dedicated following with good developer feedback.

Focus Home Interactive just make poor ads for the game they publish.

Ubisoft is probably one of the worst publishers on Earth if you are a little dev team like ES, but they did a very good ad campaign for R.U.S.E . With the same campaign for Wargame, it would have been more successful.
Wargame is the best RTS of the year. Everyone agree on that, all the reviews (players and websites) praise the game.

The only downside of Wargame is the lack of diversity for the maps. They could have done maps in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Africa, Siberia. All the maps look the same, even the new ones, it makes the game boring on the long term.