It is currently Tue 18 Jun 2013 05:33

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012 09:21 
Offline
That was soooo easy
User avatar

Joined: Thu 30 Jun 2011 22:37
Posts: 1216
Location: Russia
The Finnish war. A favorite theme of black horror stories, known for total absence of historical knowledge and negation of the elementary logic.

Background. In Europe in 30th no one loved us. These was half of trouble. But they were not afraid us too. Some statements of historical figures of that time to me, at more or less conscious age to the found USSR, seem something absolutely incompatible. For example, Finns wanted Kareliya. They want it and now, but it is perceived as a reprise. Back then they wanted it seriously, and someone dream, that the Finnish border will lay across Yenisei, and dreamers for some reason did not hold in strait jackets. Hot Finnish guys have been seriously adjusted to fight.

Their strategic ideas were simple as low. Leningrad and Baltic under check, it is possible to sit out behind a Mannerheim Line, while allies (the list was constantly specified) will come to the rescue. Aerodromes, ports and hot food are given to allies. In exchange... About Kareliya I already spoke. In general, this hornet's nest should be pressed or at least neutralized by removing borders from Leningrad.

How we had tried to persuade Finns through diplomacy, was a song. It was an aria. But any aria sometime comes to an end. What is interesting, old man Mannerheim did not suffer megalomania and estimated a situation sensibly, so he was ready to wave territories on three times big which were offered by Stalin, but politicians cutted that business. And it has began

Our military information about the Mannerheim Line was outdated, and some pillboxes had appeared as full surprise. On that time bulletproofed tanks were elementary useless against pillboxes. The adequate front air force, capable to work against strengthenings, just didn't exist. It was possible to break strengthenings only by 203-mm howitzers which there were already 12 guns for all front (Finns named them "Stalin hammers", and ours - "the Karelian sculptors". It is easy to guess, how they named fancifully overwound rests of pillboxes - "the Karelian monuments"). Understandable, efforts of infantry were unsuccessful and cost a lot. Why such bullshit happened? Because arms development of RKKA was ruled by somebody long knew as Tukhachevsky and he "worked", asshole , as long as he didn't been shot. .

Was it necessary to break this line? 100% yes. Fact is that offended Finns asked for help. And Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers had hastened. 14 thousand volunteers from all Europe, 800 artillery units, 200 planes, 100 thousand units of small arms. From the European table to Finnish. Now it unfashionably to remember, but Frenchmen and British, while being at war with Hitler, quite seriously prepared for disembarkation of expeditionary force to Finland, and also bombardment of the Soviet petrocrafts on Caucasus. We torned Finns before this fairy tale became reality, and corp has gone to Norway, where it was properly kicked by Germans.

Ah yes, in connection with Finland one more power has declared war to us . Guess, who? Correctly, Poland. Sow what that all what left from all Poland was a German general governorship and government in London? The Szlachta's gonor more expensive than communication with reality. Result of declaration of war: Poles were going to add an infantry brigade to expeditional courps and all internees Polish armies in the USSR automatically became prisoners of war, and process of their dissolution on houses was strongly slowed down.

I will disassemble some horror stories about the Finnish war.

How huge infantry losses explained? Two things - inadequacy of technique (read: that we didn't shoot innocent Tukhachevsky for about ten years earlier) and the improper assessment of strengths of the opponent. Before assault of line was had parity in infantry with Finns. When armies pumped up to the text-book 3:1 needed for attack to strengthenings, all and went according to the text-book.

Stories about the divisions sent bypassing the line of Mannerheim, blocked by Finns and destroyed. Here was actually was . Finns really managed to surround and destroy some our divisions, and the ratio of losses was 1:6 that doesn't do honor to us. Why it occurred? Because to advantage in the winter in the wood for armies of those times was generally impossible. If some moron begins to yell about "the totalitarian regime which was not valuing lives..." (I will not continue, you know this nonsense not worse than I know), ask moron what happened in Hürtgen Forest with the 3rd tank, the 4th and the 9th infantry and the 28th "Keystone"infantry divisions. The moron will tell that he doesn't know. Sure. When yankee in September 1944th tried to arrange assault in the same conditions, as ours in Finnish but without cold, they were broke, and much quicker and more qualitatively, than ours in Finland. The fault of a Roosevelt totalitarian regime here is obvious and indisputable (sarcasm).

I will add that surrounded divisions fought to the last. These last centers of resistance of a Finns broke only in two and a half months, and were exhausted on most I can not. And this with the fact that to speak about the adjusted command primely it is not necessary. Soldiers were literally dug round where stood, something improvised with defense, didn't try to grasp at all dominating heights to rake the district and to simplify to itself receipt of supplies from air... But soldiers stand. Some groups risked to break and is often successful. Generally, that sad and passive nonsense about rams in a slaughterhouse which to us sell now, has very little common with a real and occurs from normal desire of enemies and their helpers to spit to graves of our ancestors.

Obscure statements that allegedly Stalin established terms of a capture of something from nowhere, and that people primely threw on machine guns to please the leader - all this speaking only about intellectual and moral levels of those who trusts it.

Noncombat losses were caused by inadequacy of delivery - it hunged on the single railway while Finns had the complete possibility of maneuver on internal lines. At late stages of war a lot of things was fixed
Submachine guns and snipers "cuckoo". It evolved from front baizes and foreign "sources" (their impartiality was approximately same as Fox News in the Georgian war) and was not significant factor. Made for impressionable cretins.

Result of war: Finns have been compelled to surrender. We didn't occupy Finland, because it was not necessary, a lot of troubles and war with Germans soon. The Moscow peace treaty on March, 12th, 1940: we receive Karelian isthmus, Vyborg, rent Gangutsky peninsula for naval base. 36 thousand in sq.km as change. the Liddell Hart called requirements of the Soviet government "extremely moderated". Simply returned Alexander's gift from 1809.
Unpleasant result of war: no, not a victims. In the war in general sometimes kill somebody, it is in a manual. Unpleasantly that foreign military specialists - German first of all, also Churchill here was noted too - have drawn a conclusion about "a colossus on clay feet".

_________________
Hitler's reaction on Ultimate patch
Soul of Wargame
My fantrailer
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012 20:50 
Online
Colonel

Joined: Thu 17 Nov 2011 01:53
Posts: 2863
You didnt "disassemble" anything, you're just another Soviet apologist. Finns kicked your ass bro. Deal with it.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 06:33 
Offline
That was soooo easy
User avatar

Joined: Thu 30 Jun 2011 22:37
Posts: 1216
Location: Russia
Guggy wrote:
Finns kicked your ass bro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

_________________
Hitler's reaction on Ultimate patch
Soul of Wargame
My fantrailer
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 06:54 
Online
Colonel

Joined: Thu 17 Nov 2011 01:53
Posts: 2863
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... og_gif.gif

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 08:25 
Offline
That was soooo easy
User avatar

Joined: Thu 30 Jun 2011 22:37
Posts: 1216
Location: Russia
Guggy wrote:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/686/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif

We won.
http://why-so-butthurt.ru/peka/1317460083.jpg

_________________
Hitler's reaction on Ultimate patch
Soul of Wargame
My fantrailer
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 09:34 
Offline
First Sergeant
User avatar

Joined: Wed 31 Aug 2011 19:53
Posts: 248
Location: Wrocław, Poland
This soviet propaganda becomes more and more annoying, really. Actually it is interesting how deftly you are able to manipulate the facts ;)
Could you tell me why you didn't mention the Soviet Union was the aggressor and could you explain me why the Soviet Union was attacking independent countries without declaring them war?

_________________
Member of the No Unit Community.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 10:54 
Offline
That was soooo easy
User avatar

Joined: Thu 30 Jun 2011 22:37
Posts: 1216
Location: Russia
unkelek wrote:
Actually it is interesting how deftly you are able to manipulate the facts ;)

Thank you ;) You tell facts - that's very important, I will never lie to you guys.
unkelek wrote:
Could you tell me why you didn't mention the Soviet Union was the aggressor and could you explain me why the Soviet Union was attacking independent countries without declaring them war?

Only if you promise to read explanations and think about them. Without old-fashioned stereotypes, using only logic and common sense.

_________________
Hitler's reaction on Ultimate patch
Soul of Wargame
My fantrailer
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 11:10 
Offline
First Sergeant
User avatar

Joined: Wed 31 Aug 2011 19:53
Posts: 248
Location: Wrocław, Poland
Romiros wrote:
Thank you ;) You tell facts - that's very important, I will never lie to you guys.

You are not lying just omitting some important facts.
What do you understand as slowed down process of dissolution on houses of prisoners of war? In fact, execution of almost 22 000 people is some kind of terminal slow down...

Quote:
Only if you promise to read explanations and think about them. Without old-fashioned stereotypes, using only logic and common sense.

Sure, I am dying of curiosity.

_________________
Member of the No Unit Community.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 13:07 
Offline
Lieutenant
User avatar

Joined: Fri 9 Dec 2011 20:16
Posts: 1292
Location: Россия
unkelek wrote:
This soviet propaganda becomes more and more annoying, really. Actually it is interesting how deftly you are able to manipulate the facts ;)
Could you tell me why you didn't mention the Soviet Union was the aggressor and could you explain me why the Soviet Union was attacking independent countries without declaring them war?


We were...ummm, searching for WMD's in the interest of the international community as well as helping the people of Finland achieve their own socialism. It was never an act of war, but of help.

Is that better?

_________________
Authentic USSR decks guide http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =144196045
Инструкция к историческим колодам СССР http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =145583732
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012 15:15 
Offline
First Sergeant
User avatar

Joined: Wed 31 Aug 2011 19:53
Posts: 248
Location: Wrocław, Poland
BTR wrote:
We were...ummm, searching for WMD's in the interest of the international community as well as helping the people of Finland achieve their own socialism. It was never an act of war, but of help.

Is that better?

Ah, I see what you did there ;)

_________________
Member of the No Unit Community.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Guggy, Nubiderak and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group