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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Thu 5 Jul 2012 20:58 
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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 05:31 
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SU-25. Again, props to the A-10 but they did NOT have the enemy the Soviets had in the 70s-80s. The taliban sure had stingers but they were completely negated by the amount of air power supplied by the.. how many countries' aircraft? Oh i'd say at LEAST a dozen countries. Again, go to KAF and you'll see how much air power is there. The soviets just didn't have the airpower to dominate like the US AND its allies.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 13:37 
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jjnd wrote:
SU-25. Again, props to the A-10 but they did NOT have the enemy the Soviets had in the 70s-80s. The taliban sure had stingers but they were completely negated by the amount of air power supplied by the.. how many countries' aircraft? Oh i'd say at LEAST a dozen countries. Again, go to KAF and you'll see how much air power is there. The soviets just didn't have the airpower to dominate like the US AND its allies.

US and allies, maybe not. But if we speak of WP vs NATO combat within central theater and combined arms counter air operation, then it was more than possible, conditions considered.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 21:57 
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I think there was a chart posted that showed just how well the Soviets coped with the Stingers in Afghanistan. At first they were wreaking havoc, but once changes were made to tactics (and flare dispensers became common), Stinger casualties more or less dropped off.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 22:07 
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ikalugin wrote:
jjnd wrote:
SU-25. Again, props to the A-10 but they did NOT have the enemy the Soviets had in the 70s-80s. The taliban sure had stingers but they were completely negated by the amount of air power supplied by the.. how many countries' aircraft? Oh i'd say at LEAST a dozen countries. Again, go to KAF and you'll see how much air power is there. The soviets just didn't have the airpower to dominate like the US AND its allies.

US and allies, maybe not. But if we speak of WP vs NATO combat within central theater and combined arms counter air operation, then it was more than possible, conditions considered.

I was just talking about the AK theatre. The soviets only had the one full army with a supporting division, numbering about 100,000 soldiers. The US ALONE has at LEAST 100,000 troops PLUS the tens of thousands sent from other countries, more airpower, more armoured power, more special mountain troops, more TECHNOLOGY... and lets be frank. The technology of the 70s-80s PALES in comparison to what is available now. Combat UAVs (NON-prototype), GOOD Night-vision that works (if you've ever tried the old night vision goggles and compare them with the new, you'll know what im talking about), 2000lbs GPS guided bunker-busting bombs, light-weight armour technology, medical first-response technology.. the list goes on. Trying to compare the current occupation of AK with the soviet occupation may sound good in theory and on faux news, but the facts just don't lend any credence to them being "the same war".


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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
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jjnd wrote:
ikalugin wrote:
jjnd wrote:
SU-25. Again, props to the A-10 but they did NOT have the enemy the Soviets had in the 70s-80s. The taliban sure had stingers but they were completely negated by the amount of air power supplied by the.. how many countries' aircraft? Oh i'd say at LEAST a dozen countries. Again, go to KAF and you'll see how much air power is there. The soviets just didn't have the airpower to dominate like the US AND its allies.

US and allies, maybe not. But if we speak of WP vs NATO combat within central theater and combined arms counter air operation, then it was more than possible, conditions considered.

I was just talking about the AK theatre. The soviets only had the one full army with a supporting division, numbering about 100,000 soldiers. The US ALONE has at LEAST 100,000 troops PLUS the tens of thousands sent from other countries, more airpower, more armoured power, more special mountain troops, more TECHNOLOGY... and lets be frank. The technology of the 70s-80s PALES in comparison to what is available now. Combat UAVs (NON-prototype), GOOD Night-vision that works (if you've ever tried the old night vision goggles and compare them with the new, you'll know what im talking about), 2000lbs GPS guided bunker-busting bombs, light-weight armour technology, medical first-response technology.. the list goes on. Trying to compare the current occupation of AK with the soviet occupation may sound good in theory and on faux news, but the facts just don't lend any credence to them being "the same war".

Can you please tell me what AK theater you mean and what time period you use? There was no JDAM in 1985 as I might say, nor did NATO posses any serious UAV capability (compared to soviets, who did).

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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 23:27 
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jjnd wrote:
numbering about 100,000 soldiers. The US ALONE has at LEAST 100,000 troops PLUS the tens of thousands


ROFL that number is like 5 times lower. But hey believe what you want. What good are facts anyway - right?


Anyway the A-10 is the undisputed tank-killing CAS aircraft. That's what it does. need to destroy enemy armor/vehicles? Call in your local A-10 pilots.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
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ikalugin wrote:
Can you please tell me what AK theater you mean and what time period you use? There was no JDAM in 1985 as I might say, nor did NATO posses any serious UAV capability (compared to soviets, who did).


He's talking about Afghanistan today.

Also, the USSR's UAV capability was a pale shadow of NATO's in the '80s.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 vs. Su-25
PostPosted: Mon 9 Jul 2012 23:46 
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Killertomato wrote:
ikalugin wrote:
Can you please tell me what AK theater you mean and what time period you use? There was no JDAM in 1985 as I might say, nor did NATO posses any serious UAV capability (compared to soviets, who did).


He's talking about Afghanistan today.

Also, the USSR's UAV capability was a pale shadow of NATO's in the '80s.

So we compare Afghanistan today with Central front in the 80s? Do I sense a logical mistake in your reasoning?

Ok, which UAV systems did NATO have in the 80s?

Soviets had:
Tupolev Tu-141
(1973-1989)
Tupolev Tu-143
(1973-1989)
Yakovlev Pchela
(it had TV camera for arty targeting)

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