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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2012 23:41 
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American vehicles holy? Certainly effective and of a very high standard but unless everyone has a great big fight we cannot know what vehicle is the best. The modern Russian tanks (I wanna say the T-90 but I am not sure if that is the correct name), Chinese, British and American are all probably quite similar. Many stats fly around but Having looked this up a few times, predominantly because I like tanks but also out of genuine curiosity the differences between all the "top tier" tanks are so minute it is going to be numbers, crew and situation.
That said based on battlefield incidents in Iraq I gotta go with the Challenger 2 being even with the M1A2. Both of them have taken insane amounts of punishment (1 challenger took 7 RPGs and a MILAN ATGM and survived) and both are highly regarded the world over. The only Challenger that has been destroyed (As in, totalled, unsalvageable with lives lost) was destroyed by another challenger 2. The Abrams does not have such a record but the US army is much bigger so it has been in more fights. As for IVFs I don't have a clue if I am honest. I have never heard of the supposed golden reputation of the Bradley.
The main thing with the tanks is that because of intelligence sharing and the general arms trade almost all of the technology the British have can be seen on American, French and German tanks.


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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul 2012 12:38 
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No it says that Abrams was not able to stop going down the slope (due to poor traction I suppose). M1A2 crew was also replaced with american crew (due to head trauma), greek crew was used on T80 series.

The last tanks to go up the slope were the T80 series. Leclerc was in the lighter than normal version for testing (aka cheating).

Yes, no other tank had a simmilar system. Shtora is mostly used against ATGM threats though.

No, this is effective rate of fire, where the crew's ability to search targets is also at work. M1A2 used the prize winning crew from US as well as proper ammunition, T80 series used the greek crew who had little experience with their vehicle.

The seeting was criticised by the Greek crew, when compared to the western tanks.

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul 2012 16:36 
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The results are a bit confusing and seem inconsistent across the test.

Can we at least agree that with all the head-bumping and injuries going on, that the Greeks should really question whether they're qualified to operate tanks in the first place? :P

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jul 2012 12:45 
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Guggy wrote:
The results are a bit confusing and seem inconsistent across the test.

Can we at least agree that with all the head-bumping and injuries going on, that the Greeks should really question whether they're qualified to operate tanks in the first place? :P

They were not, but they were not quilified for the T80 series either. Hence while it is fair to compare 2 ill trained crews, it is not fair to compare an ill trained crew and well trained crew.

In addition to that - there were both T84 (by Kharkiv) and T80U (By Omsk).

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 17:21 
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Your talking about the Abrams being a near perfect tank but if you want to find a tank that is without doubt one of the most reliable and strongest tanks out there in this present time.Then you should be looking at the British MBT the Challenger 2 this tank really is an absolute beast. A little bit off topic here but I read the other day that the Taliban are terrified of Tanks why not send a few Abrams and Challengers over there that would put the frights up them.


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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 17:45 
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Your talking about the Abrams being a near perfect tank but if you want to find a tank that is without doubt one of the most reliable and strongest tanks out there in this present time.Then you should be looking at the British MBT the Challenger 2 this tank really is an absolute beast. A little bit off topic here but I read the other day that the Taliban are terrified of Tanks why not send a few Abrams and Challengers over there that would put the frights up them.

Tanks in mountains - good luck

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 18:00 
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Yeah, the report actually says that T80U RoF was 9/minute, the reason it was decreased to 6/min is because of using practice rounds that were loaded with blackpowder and obscured the target after each shot. With normal AP that would not happen.

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 18:00 
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They're already in Afghanistan. Leopard 2's were the first to arrive I think, and have done their job well.

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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 18:38 
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Romiros wrote:
afc16andy wrote:
Your talking about the Abrams being a near perfect tank but if you want to find a tank that is without doubt one of the most reliable and strongest tanks out there in this present time.Then you should be looking at the British MBT the Challenger 2 this tank really is an absolute beast. A little bit off topic here but I read the other day that the Taliban are terrified of Tanks why not send a few Abrams and Challengers over there that would put the frights up them.

Tanks in mountains - good luck


Im not on about using tanks in an Offensive role Im more thinking about using them in a physiological role and defensive role. Its proven that the Taliban are terrified of tanks. Stick them in a tactical position around a compound and that would deter an Attack. And besides not all of Afghanistan is mountainous, maybe for the Americans it is but Helmand is mostly desert and farmland. The terrain aint ideal for tanks but they will be able to cope with it. I think I was wrong about the Americans sending tanks as they are fighting in Mainly Mountanious terrains near the border so it would be difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: The US holy vehicles
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012 18:43 
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Romiros wrote:
Tanks in mountains - good luck

Afghanistan isn't just mountains....A quick look in Wiki would tell you that tanks do have their place there....

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