Tank engagements at 4 kilometers would be a very very seldom event due to the fact that most (~85%) of the LOS-distances in germany lay under 1500 meters. You apparently also ignore that even with modern ammunition and FCS shooting at 4000m will become very very uneffective due to shoot dispersion.

Also consider that the russian gun launched atgms of the T-XXs in RL have a maximum range of up to 5km. With the Ammo&FCS of the 80s shooting at 4000 would be waste of ammo, at least with ke-penetrators since at 4km they already lost a good ammount of penetrating power.

No heavy tank will withstand hits from other heavy tanks easily since every tank has some weak spots even on the frontal arc. For example the lower hull of the leopard 2 a4 can be easily pierced even by older ammo. Same goes for the TIS-region which offers significant less protection than the rest of the turret front. Even the mighty challenger 2 still has a glas jaw.

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Hegemon. I had this half done yesterday and though I might as well finish it. It's not exactly on topic but it shows my logic better and also a few interesting conclusions. One thing that I could do next is expand this to include non-recon choppers to see how they relate. This would interesting as it would show us how "balanced" the whole chopper class is, not just REC as I so stubbornly stuck to.

Of course the number of permutations with comparing chopper to chopper is too high so please excuse the short version of this...and also excuse the poor formatting...hope you can follow it.
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1. Mi-2 to Bo105CB
The 105 is 15kph faster, can go further on a tank of gas and is almost 3x more fuel efficient than the base Mi2. All for the same price.
Conclusion: Speed, range and fuel efficiency play a minor to no role in cost.

2. Bo105CB to Mi2US
Based on comparison #1, the only real factor to look at here is the addition of an autocannon.
Conclusion: Autocannons cost 10pts

3. Mi2US to Mi2URN
Based on comparison #2, the only real factor to look at here is the addition of an rocket pods.
Conclusion: Rocket pods cost 10pts

4. Mi2 to Mi2URN
Based on comparisions #2 and #3, the only additions are autocannons and rocket pods.
Test: At 10pts per, the Mi2 should be +20 to become the Mi2URN. And it is. Confirmed.

5. Bo105 to Gazelle AH1
As we've already found out from #1-#4, speed and fuel/range play little to no part in the costing of a unit.
Conclusion: Exception optics for choppers cost 15pts

6. Mi2 to Gazelle AH1
Based on #5 theory.
Conclusion: Confirmed. Exception optics cost 15pts.

7. Mi2US to OH58c Kiowa
All things being equal, the only difference is the minigun. It is to be noted that its accuracy is 4 which might boost its cost from the 10pts we've determined to be standard in #2. But is also doesn't have any AP capabilities.
Conclusion: Problem. If the base cost is 65pts and a basic weapon adds 10 points then this chopper should cost 75pts. If we add 5pts to the value of the gun to account for its better accuracy and ignore the loss of AP, then the chopper should cost 80pts. Why does it cost 85?

8. Bo105CB to Mi9
As we already know, the base cost is 65 and exceptional optics are 15pts. Just to be safe, we look at speed and fuel again and see that the Mi9 is worse in both areas to the 105. The Mi9 should cost 65+15=80pts and then dropped at least 5 points for the "big" size.
Conclusion: The Mi9 is overpriced as at the very least should be 80pts (if size doesn't matter) or 75pts (if size does matter in a negative way).
Side note: if seeing (which means killing) the Mi9 is 5% easier than for the Gazelle AH1 then if all other things are the same, the Mi9 should cost 5% less than the AH1...which would be about 75pts. This logic backs-up the above conclusion.

9. Gazelle AH1 to AH1SNEB
Same bird but added rocket pods at a cost of 10 as per #3
Conclusion: This is correct.

10. OH58C to OH58D
The "D" model gets a rocket pod upgrade for 10pts and exceptional optics for 15pts. The cost for this bird should be 110pts but is only 95.
Conclusion: very odd...

11. OH58C to OH58D WR
As this is the only recon chopper with ATGM capabilities, there is no baseline. What we can see is that the OH 58C minus the gun should be 75 points. Add the exceptional optics and the cost is boosted to 90 points.
Conclusion: The ATGM on the 58DWR cost apx 50 points.

Summary
OH58C Kiowa should be dropped to 80pts and could go even lower to 75pts.
Mi9 should be dropped to 80pts and could be dropped further to 75pts.
OH58D Kiowa should be increased to be +25pts relative to the OH58C final price.

Nice analysis. I like the way this thread goes:)
You have compared recon helicopters and priced their properties. And you noticed that there is a pattern. I am on sick leave today and I will try to do the same based on whole helicopters families.

Kiowa exception is not an exception as gatling is not autocannon and have greater AA capabilities - it is worth more in points (20). OH-58D is striped from Gatling and gets HMG (lets say 5 points) so its price is following the pattern.

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Glad you liked it Hegemon.

You might be right about the Kiowa as I don't know exactly how ROF works. Damage is the same though so it would come to that. Based on what we've seen in other weapons, I don't think it would be worth 5 points though...which brings me to...

I suspect that Eugen is rounding costs. Lets say they do have a formula and values for everything. Maybe the cost by formula was 82.6 and they rounded up to 85. Still too high in my opinion but it would make a bit of sense. I personally have no idea why they are using a base 5 system for costs as it seems so inflexible.

Looking forward to seeing your method and results! IF we end-up with the same type of results and logic then maybe we could team-up and try another category. I love this type of thing so...

Have you ever been to Europe?

Just FYI, typical Engagement range is 1500 meters, and 2000-2500 is absolute maximum.

As for helis... if they don't take speed, fuel effectiveness and (especially) cannon/rockets accuracy and range, then maybe they should, cause Mi-2 is simply too expensive.

As with all the stupid questions there is way too much trouble about it. It is obvious, Mi9 is the heavy recon, Mi2 is the light recon. I make plenty of use of the Mi2 and can say it is perfect as it is. If u want an autocannon helo take the Gniewoz (or however its spelled).

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At 50 points, you get an autocannon with 1 acc and rather poor op. range and a worthless missile. It'd be worth it if they dropped the cost by about 20 points.

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...Have you ever actually been up in the mountains? I live in Colorado, so I -assume- Europe looks much the same as the area which I live, and that may be a bad assumption, but for the most part it's proven correct when I go image searching. Valleys tend to follow set courses and wide-open plains can actually quite huge. Were it not for all the property owners out here raising cattle, I would actually be able to just take my M14 out just five hundred meters from where I live in the center of this little valley town, and shoot its maximum effective range of 800 meters. Now, if I had a tank and set it up on the hill in the little valley I lived in? Visibility is easily over 10 kilometers+

Hell, from where I live to where I just mentioned it's a straight line that I can see at, about, 1.5 kilometers.

The better question is, have you seen Eugen's maps? They can be pretty billiards table flat.

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Germany has some quite dense forest formations on the flat grounds. That makes some regiosn have a short line of sight. But indeed there are regiosn where you can see several km waway like in southern bayern.