I dunno, the ATGM's ~2400 m range pretty much kills its usefulness against heavy tanks. You get one shot before a 2A4 is in gun range, one shot that will most likely miss and if not, will cause a whopping 2 damage. It won't even worry the crew.

Mid-range ATGMs can still be useful on cheap vehicles like the Konkurs jeep, but a 120 point ATGM carrier is just asking to get shot.

SALH atgm...

As is the Bastion, Sheksna and Refleks. What about it? I don't think it makes any difference besides that the missiles generally fly faster, though Kokon flies about as fast despite being SACLOS.

At 2450 I think you can hit the Leo and still run it, if you've got the rest of a line formed, the Leo can either chase and expose more side armour. Or possibly just take a hit - taking some HP off a Leo 2A4 or a C1 is never to be sniffed at, especially if you can manufacture a side hit. You could buy a more specialised ATGM carrier, but these are generally less well armoured, and doesn't have an AP9 gun to boot. So arty and closing-in medium armour becomes more of a problem.

I think its a nice unit to have, especially as mobile support to a T80BV or U that can take some arty too. For its price range its pretty well statted. Any less price you make the T80B even more redundant, and its certainly better than that.

No you cannot. It takes long enough to aim the missiel that the leo 2 will fire BEFORE the t72B or within half a second of that

We tested it, with LOS, the T72B will preaim. In some cases, the missile will leave the tank almost as soon as the Leop 2 gets into the ATGM range. Which gives you a chance to get out of there. Especially if you're not taking on NATOs best tank in a 1v1 situation.

Yeah I can admit the T-72B is good with a main gun as powerful as the T-80B/T-80 same range, same acc and same ROF, A SALH 8Acc 11AP ATGM with a range that it can hit a Leo2a4 with success (Idk where ppl think that the ATGM in the T-72B is inaccurate), Good optics and Eco this tank is good. Only thing to it is its armor is weak. Also the T-80B wont be redundant if you price nerf it since it has better armor. I suggest nerf the price to 120-115-110. I also use T-72B but in a ambush postion, back of my army and as support.

The T-72 series has a slower ROF than the T-80 or T-64. The T-80B, for 10 points less, has a cannon with the exact same stats.

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Lets look at the T72B vs the T80B

T72B stats:
Price:120
Availability: 8
ATGM: 'Svir' 2451m acc8 AP11 - 4 missiles@ 6/min
Main Cannon:'2A46M' acc6 AP9 HE4 - 25 rounds @ 10/min
HMG: NSVT - same as T80B
Size: Normal
Speed: 70km/h
Armour: 7/5/2/2
Stabiliser: Bad
Optics:Normal
Operational Range: 900km
Fuel Capacity:1600L

T80B stats:
Price:110
Availability: 4
ATGM:'Kobra' 2451m acc6 AP11 - 2 missiles@ 6/min
Main Cannon:'2A46M' acc6 AP9 HE4 - 25 rounds @ 10/min
HMG:NSVT - same as T72B
Size: Big
Speed: 70km/h
Armour:8/4/2/2
Stabiliser:Bad
Optics:Poor
Operational Range: 500km
Fuel Capacity: 1250L

There's 2 ways of evaluating this:

On FACE value - the T72B and the T80B have the SAME gun with the same ROF and the same stabiliser. I think you mean the other 2 members of the T72 family when you mention a slower ROF. The others fire at 6/min.

Armour wise - the T72B loses 1 front to the T80B but gains 1 SIDE - which is IMO better - because there are 2 sides but only 1 front.....

T80B has worse Optics than T72B - although the effects of optics on aiming etc are unclear to me - if anyone knows better - I would love to be informed.

The T80B ATGM is 2acc worse than the T72B - if we take FLX's observations (see his 'The Big Chart') - this equals a loss of 10% accuracy in the ATGM (which AFAIK calculates the accuracy % in the same way as guns from running my own limited tests, the values for acc 6 and 8 are 29% and 39% respectively) To gain back the 2acc, you have to buy either a T80 with ATGM at acc8, which means the excellent T80BV, or buy 1 vet level, which for the T80B is 137 points. Admittedly you also get the acc bonus to the main gun, but if that's what you're after, the T80A does the gun business at 125, a better cost price.

In terms of looking at the T72B in a pact deck building excercise. The T80 line is a shoe in for the current metagame, the ability to call in the top end T80s are very useful against the best NATO heavies. However, at the bottom end of the T80 spectrum, the advantages are not that clear. To me, a more rounded deck includes a greater spectrum of tanks, and with the T72 line being a good one generally. The T72B fills the gap better between the top end T80s and the medium tanks. The 2275 gun will cover the NATO mediums, whilst the ATGM and gun presenting a very real danger to NATO side armour. The situation that I pitch is that in a fight where a PACT line contains a T80BV/U and a T72B or T80B in support. Would you rather have the T80B or T72B acting as a mobile support? For me, the advantages that the T72B holds over the slightly cheaper T80B means that its no contest atm for which I would prefer.

It's also interesting to look at how PACT might otherwise obtain the characteristics of a T72B by combining cheaper units. The closest I get is with a standard T80 @ 90pts and a BMP2 Obr 1986 @ 50pts. This gives the 8acc 11AP 2451m ATGM and the same gun. The benefits are that it splits it into 2 units which has numerous advantages. However, this makes the ATGM part of the equation more vulnerable.

Optics only effect the ability of the tank to spot things. If you have a dedicated recon unit nearby (which you should) that doesn't make a lot of difference.

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