i don't really agree. i like the jupiter because it's so damn cheap. air resupply is "luxus" in the sense that it needs to be fast. not paying 60 for a resupply.



Both the ERC-90 Sagaie and the V-150 90mm shred infantry even more. And the ERC-90 Sagaie is faster. And small. And more range. And costs just 5 points more.



Honestly, for the price you pay just to have your reacon flying, I wouldn't miss out on weapons. 80 points just to fly around the map is just not worth it.




Honestly? Just get the Leopard 1A5, costs less, the gun is only slightly worse and has the same armor. Or the Chieftain MK 10 wich costs slightly more and has proper front armor and a better weapon. The Patton is neither a cheap tank nor a good tank. It's simply not a good choice...

Not the deck I'd use, but there's more than one way to play the game.

Only bit you need to change is unarmoured commands. No reason at all to use these.

pattons are accurate, have stabs, go fast, decent armor on the higher lines. allround great tanks for flanking and support. accuracy + their damage makes them better then leo's 1 imo. there speed makes them better then chieftains in some sitautions, everything is sitautional, and this tank shines in ALOT of sitautions.

Please play more ranked games with that deck, we'll test it out with live fire. It'll show you a lot more that way then just typing out what's wrong with it.

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resupply: 25kmph is a big difference in speediness? i dont really see what you're getting at here. I have both HEMTTs and Jups in my deck, so i like them both, just saying i use HEMTTs until i run out of them and then its jupiters.

Armour: The Leopard 1A5 costs less than the m60a3 patton, yes, by 5 points. From the AOS (35 points) patton and up, you get a "normal" stabilizer ("good" on the Super M60), as good or better accuracy than anything fielded in the Leopard line, and from the RISE upwards just as good AP as anything in the leopard line, sacrificing 2 front armour, 1 side, top, and back. For example, when you pay 35 points for the AOS patton, you get 1 less front armour, 3 more accuracy, a "normal" stabilizer (vs none for the equivalent Leo 1a2) but 5 kmph less speed when compared to the leo 1a2.

My point is that although the Patton series lacks armour, in most of its marks, it makes up for it with a normal stabilizer and waaaaaaaay better accuracy than the Leos. It can roll around the battlefield trolling the enemy with accurate on the move fire, confusing and suppressing.

Recce:

both the v150 and sagaie have no side armour. luchs has 1. the next tier up in the french tree with the AMX10RC has one side, too, at 60 points (with a nice cannon to boot!). Side armour comes in handy more often than you'd expect. Autocannon beats both these with the ability to stun, as well as shoot down pesky helis flying over your forest. the suppression the autocannon provides with its ample ammunition means your vehicle can scoot out, and retreat to a safe position when faced with local weak threats. Luchs even has a nice "bad" stab. I guess we can agree to disagree, but i will say i will never pick a jeep for 40 points over a luchs for 40 points.

gazelle wise, 80 points is well worth it when you can zoom around at 350 kmph (90!!kmph faster than the "equivalent" Kiowa) and have excellent optics on the spot in seconds.

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The patton also has only 1925 range. I don't like this tank, from my experiences it just falls short. Don't get me wrong, the low tier Leopard 1 tanks are the worst NATO tanks, but the 1A5 is well worth it. They really get alot better through their upgrades.

raw - listen to somekid. He is right - you are wrong.

1A5 v Patton:

You get a whole line in the leos, but if you say only the 1A5 is worth it, you've wasted a lot of slots.

The Patton, from the RISE on up, is a good substitute, and you get 3 varieties versus the Leo 1A5. I'll take more availability and choice. Otherwise you might as well get Challies versus Leo2's.

Supply:

Sometimes your tanks go off road. Waiting for a wheeled vehicle to traverse the terrain is painful. Always have at least 1 air supply in your deck. Sometimes supply needs to get there fast.

Recon:

I'll stick with ERC or AMX recon for the speed. I'm not going to shoot with it unless I see a command vehicle.

Also, Gazelle > kiowa. I used to use the kiowa w/hellfire, but I figure the excellent gazelle optics and speed will keep it alive, and I'll buy an apache to complement it.

True. I don't use the Leo 1 series at all. And neither the Patton.




We were discussing Chinook vs. Puma, but thanks for reminding us that we do need air supply Cptn. Obvious.



The ERC and AMX are excellent recon units, I agree if just the AMX weren't so costly...



I don't know. Air for me in this game boils down to if there's AA around you're dead. And I am not paying 80 supply just for flying around. I have used the KIOWA in many close matches, it's excellent for being aware of your enemy and harassing his frontlines at the same time.

you do realize...

MD Jupiter 750 supplies 15 points
HEMMT 1500 supplies 30 points
do some math man

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