All AA Choppers are for emergencies, they arent meant to fight for air superiority above a battlefield.

that's the polish chopper we're talking about? yeah it really sucks with a weak autocanon and poor atgm and poor AA

drop the pricce, make him good at one aspect at leastor replace his atgm by rockets. There is no use for an expensive jack of all traddes decent at none

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Boogie Van on balance talk

The devs goes for some reason bananas when they try to put a price on something that has both an autocannon and ATGMs, no matter what quality either has.

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As everybody else has said it's crazy bad. A very overpriced unit. There are very few times you'd ever want to take one.

The OH-58S is cheaper and actually does something, and it's still a pretty poor option for NATO.

Honestly, if they halfed the cost to 25 / 30 (possibly 35 for the later variant to make the previous attractive at all) for the two variants, it would feel about right. The cheaper variant would be comparable to the gazelle canon but slower and worse accuracy (the most important stats on the gazelle, imo) but with a ATGM that *might* be useful with some vet. The AA version wouldn't be op compared to the OH-58C/S considering it would be unusable without vet and still have a very weak missle.

BTW, shouldn't the P, V and VP versions of the be priced the same at 85? The powerful rockets are at least as useful as the extra atgms and the ac of the VP is roughly as good as the machinegun (maybe give the mg a accuracy boost to make it stand out)

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But at a considerable lower cost it would become a spammable unit, they will cause havoc to retreating/repairing targets with their ATGMS. At least the Gazelle has weak accuracy and ap. Im not even sure if the Gnie should be a competitor at all. There will always be units at the lower end of the stick and i wouldnt like it if the game turns in yet another balance saga.

Right now this unit have no use. My solution to make gniewosz and its nato counterpart SEMI-USEFULL would be adding them improved optics ONLY against aircraft units to fit their role slithly better (it would be something like combat/air recon to fast react against enemy aircrafts, with its poor speed and horrible combat ability gniewosz still would be weak, but it could find some use. Its nato counterpart could additionally be anti-aircraft sniper)

It might become a little more powerful than expected, vetted it would probably be the poor-man's airborne ATGM choice nr 1 but I can't really see a problem with that. Currently, the only real combat use of helicopters, with exception of maybe havoc and apache, is stunning rocket barrages. Airborne ATGMs, as the game currently is, are more of a "You don't have proper AA, therefore you die... maybe" weapon. Considering the salamandra and gniewosz has the atgm range of a flakpanzer gepard and 5 hitpoints, if you die to their ATGMs, you'll die anything flying at all.

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PACT has better SAM units, while NATO has better AAA.

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Why is the oh58 range not 4.2 km like the chap. They're the same missile.