Hi all,

I have noticed over a time period that my use for PACT infantry is completely different to the way I use NATO infantry.

However I am still having problems where my PACT infantry are being outclassed and outgunned by their NATO counterparts.

Therefore I am thinking of restructuring my PACT decks infantry options for something that is designed to kill NATO infantry and be more defensive.

At the moment I have:

Motorstrelci (5) + OT64 SKOT
Motorstrelki (10) + BTR
Motorstrelci (5) + BMP1
Spadochraniarze + OT64 SKOT
Vyskadari + OT64 SKOT


Apart from the Vyskadari , the rest of my units get slaughtered in towns or forests. I really need another infantry killer unit for this section of my decks.

What is your PACT infantry recommendations and what do you use your infantry for e.g. (Defense, Assault, Cannon Fodder, Specialist)

What are good infantry killer units for PACT?

Why do you take Motostrelkis+Motostrelcis? I think you have to make a choice between the two. Both are crap against infantry.

So you can take either the Motostrelkis in BTR with vet 2 (this way they can efficiently destroy vehicles, and taking BMP1s would cost too much) or Motostrelkis in BMP1D.

If you choose the Motostrelcis, take them in TOPAS-2A. The recoiless rifle is good against infantry and light vehicles.

For the other slots : you can choose Mot-Schützen instead of Spados (availability of 20 against 16, both HE2 infantry).

If you want pure infantry destroyers, then choose the Spetsnaz. But the cost will be higher and you can have only 8 squads.


What I am currently using :

4 VPZU in SKOTS or Mi-8 (recon+good all-round)
Motostrelkis in BTR (vet2)
Mot.-Schützen
Konkurs
Iglas

To fight against infantry, I use Mot.-Schützen along with Su-122-54 and Flammpanzers TO-55. Don't forget the Buratino.

Always try to think more in terms of a group of units than in terms of single units. When I use infantry, I always ask myself what vehicles I will send to support it.

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You can also mix specialized infantry together. I often mix 1 FJB-40+BTR with 2 Motostrelci+Topas 2A, it's really good against anything Nato throw at you.

Except shells, of course.

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Mot. Schutzen are very rounded infantry units against almost everything and not like Motostrelci or Spad (only effective against vehicles or infantry). Also the polish flamethrowers are beasts (full squad, 9acc rifles, 2HE, a flamethrower, and all of this in cheap and fast OT64) the only problem is that there are only 8 available.
Also Motostrelki in numbers supported by BMP-1D are useful (and you got 40)

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5 standard infantry, no ATGM, no AA, no recon, no airborne... looks like an ugly infantry spam to me.

First thing you have Motostrelci twice. Putting the same infantry a second time in a different transport doesn't increase its availability. Never put an infantry twice in a deck.

If you want shock troops there are multiple choices (don't take more than 2):
- special forces but they are rare and best used in other roles than massive forest slaughters.
- Flamethrowers are slow and you have too few of them.
- Motorisierte Schützen have a good availability of 20 but you pay 10 points for the vehicle.
- Spadochroniarze have 16 sections but since the SKOT1 cost only 5 points you can afford some veterancy on them.
- Motostrelki with a lot of veterancy, they are not as good against infantry as the other but become very good against vehicles. If your ennemy brings some vehicles in the fight they can be more efficient in the end because they don't get stunned by those vehicles.

Some vehicles are good at fighting infantry in forests as well : TO55 of course, TOPAS2A thanks to its recoilless rifle, SU122 thanks to its HE5 gun, BMP1D thanks to its grnade launcher and frontal armor 2, and basically everything that is cheap with a gun like T55, T34, BMP1...

The plan is to overwhelm the infantry with multiple vehicles. Some vehicles die, the rest kill most of the infantry and the few guys who remain are too stunned to fire a second volley.
However this technique doesn't work if your enemy spreads well his infantry because you will lose one tank for one infantry killed which is not worth it unless they are special forces or veterans.

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I use

piechota zmech + BMP-1
motostrelki + BMP-2
4 VPZU + Mi-8
Igla + BTR
spetz + BTR

works well, though the majority of my infantry killing is done by the AGS on the BMP-1D with motostrelki to finish up any stragglers and RPG any approaching vehicles.

some people have luck with spadochroniarze but I just can't use them in skots for the life of me.

swapping out piechota zmech for mot-schutzen might be a good idea if you're infantry heavy type since mot-schutzen are better all around than piechota zmech.

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Generally speaking, as pact you need to mix HE2 (aka "Shock squads") with your cheap crap that's perfect for AT duty.

Mot. Shützens are perfect for that: They deal excellent damage against most NATO infantry, while the cheap Motostrelci/Piechota Zmech soak up the damage.

(Also, with Motostrelci, take 'em in TOPAS-2A, too cheesy to be ignored. It makes them good against infantry...

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but I like my BMP-2Ds and BMP-1Ds ;-;

(BMP-1D > TOPAS-2A in infantry killing efficiency imo)

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IMO generally speaking you can go completely without HE2 inf. Not entirely sure on it but IMO HE on infantry rifles has no effect on infantry, its only vs vehicles and helis.

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All HE values apply to infantry. No matter if it is from shells or rifles.

If you put HE2 infantry against HE1 infantry with same vet level, HE2 infantry will win in most cases.

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