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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 08:10 
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Because the Fernspaher have better accuracy, lower rate of fire and 5(+1) men, while the 4VPZU have 10(+1)?

Oh, wait. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 09:24 
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DeuZerre wrote:
Because the Fernspaher have better accuracy, lower rate of fire and 5(+1) men, while the 4VPZU have 10(+1)?

Oh, wait. :lol:


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Fernspaher are 10 man squads, and yes they have better accuracy but slightly lower rate of fire. I only use them in Fuchs (In the same way that I only use Spetz in the BTR)

You obviously don't know much about them, so I recommend that you try them considering they are one of NATO's best infantry units.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 09:41 
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DeuZerre wrote:
Because the Fernspaher have better accuracy, lower rate of fire and 5(+1) men, while the 4VPZU have 10(+1)?

Oh, wait. :lol:


:roll:

Fernspaher are 10 man squads, and yes they have better accuracy but slightly lower rate of fire. I only use them in Fuchs (In the same way that I only use Spetz in the BTR)

You obviously don't know much about them, so I recommend that you try them considering they are one of NATO's best infantry units.


Oh, my bad, I mistook them for an other unit (BGS, they definitely suck). I know these guys, but their horribad air transport (the ground one is very good) and lack of LAW make me frown upon them, as there are units with similar anti-infantry abilities but better versatility (SAS with their strong flashbangs are more efficient against infantry for the same price, but no land transport, while Deltas prove monster anti-tanks and monster anti-infantry, again only airborne and with slightly worse optics.

BTW, I'm the OP... So I know what I'm talking about (screwing up units names happens).

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 11:27 
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Space wrote:

Fernspaher are 10 man squads, and yes they have better accuracy but slightly lower rate of fire. I only use them in Fuchs (In the same way that I only use Spetz in the BTR)


They have 5% more accuracy and rate of power lower by 35% in comparison to VPZU. As damage dealt in a unit of time is something like ACC*HE*ROF VPZU is clearly superior...

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 12:36 
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Hegemon wrote:
Space wrote:

Fernspaher are 10 man squads, and yes they have better accuracy but slightly lower rate of fire. I only use them in Fuchs (In the same way that I only use Spetz in the BTR)


They have 5% more accuracy and rate of power lower by 35% in comparison to VPZU. As damage dealt in a unit of time is something like ACC*HE*ROF VPZU is clearly superior...


In my experience the Fernspaher win. That's probably due to having the effective Fuchs with them, which kills 3 inf in a single burst and seriously worries them (further reducing their accuracy). Pact special forces don't usually have a support unit with them (Their helis are usually sent elsewhere or they will be in a low end Skot.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 12:44 
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I have VPZU in helis - they're my special forces really. If I could have more slots I would also take them in APC's but you have to make choices :(

I take VPZU in Skots but also have the Mi-8 line in my deck. If I need airborne VPZU I'll just buy them in a Skot and load them on a chopper. A bit slower for game opening moves but I rarely use airborne infantry for that anyway. I feel the Mi-8 family is worth a deck slot for the Mi-17 regardless of whether I need a transport since it's a pretty good rocket gunship.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 13:11 
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I have VPZU in helis - they're my special forces really. If I could have more slots I would also take them in APC's but you have to make choices :(

I take VPZU in Skots but also have the Mi-8 line in my deck. If I need airborne VPZU I'll just buy them in a Skot and load them on a chopper. A bit slower for game opening moves but I rarely use airborne infantry for that anyway. I feel the Mi-8 family is worth a deck slot for the Mi-17 regardless of whether I need a transport since it's a pretty good rocket gunship.


That's a pretty good idea. I could drop the airborne VPZU and BTR Spetz, and replace them with Skot VPZU and Mi-8. There's pro's and con's, but on balance I think it might be better so I'll give it a try. Thanks :)


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 16:38 
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Space wrote:
diana olympos wrote:
False space.

Spetsnaz are one of the only SF that are NOT a recon troop.. cause they have only GOOD optics.. and that matter a lot...


So - they are still recon troops! There's dedicated recon vehicles costing around the same as Spez which also have good optics. Are they NOT recon too?

I tend to keep them in forest edges to provide recon, and move them to defend against infantry as needed. They almost always pay for themselves. I don't call that one dimensional


By and large 4 VPZU are better in this role since they have better optics and anti-tank capability when needed and enough infantry combat capacity do be good enough in most situations. Seriously love my 4 VPZU, just wish they came in hinds instead.


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Little addition in the vehicles description.

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- Wheeled vehicles all go at the same speed on roads. All tracked vehicles go at the same speed on roads. Tracked vehicles are slower on roads than wheeled ones. Wheeled vehicles have trouble managing difficult terrains (hedges, forests, etc...) and go very slowly.
- No armour means that anything can damage the vehicle, including rifles. Light armour means that there only is frontal armour. Armoured means frontal and side. All round means... At least one armour on each sides. Heavily armoured means that there is at least one side with 2 armour. Helicopters never have armour.
- Some units have 5 hit points (HP). This means they are rather fragile. All other vehicles have 10 HP. For air units, it is more important as against some weapon systems, it means they can die in one shot.
- MMGs have shorter range than HMGs. HMGs can stun helicopters. Autocanons are efficient against all targets and can stun. They are particularly good against unarmoured or lightly armoured targets.

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Hegemon wrote:
Hi, some more thoughts:
PTUR FAGOT (USSR) - 12 squads available
PTUR KONKURS (USSR) - 8 squads available
200m range difference and one point of accuracy more for 5 pts (25%) more. IMO they balance each other, but I prefer vet FAGOT.

The difference between BMP-1 SP-1 and SP-2 is ATGM type. SP1 has MCLOS - SP2 SACLOS - huge difference for 5 points. The same is between vanilla BMP-1 and any other version (D,P, Obr. 1970).




mmmmmmm Might give it a go...although...nothing like seeing those Konkurs in a tree line for peace of mind...

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