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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:18 
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I'm pretty sure that at 1500 meters, Panthers had a 5% hit rate first shot. And not going to go all "GERMANY UBER ALLES" crap here, but I think its genuinely accepted the German long 75 had better ballistics than the Soviet 85mm

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:19 
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T-72B and other high-end tanks.......useless


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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:27 
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I'm pretty sure that at 1500 meters, Panthers had a 5% hit rate first shot. And not going to go all "GERMANY UBER ALLES" crap here, but I think its genuinely accepted the German long 75 had better ballistics than the Soviet 85mm

Don't you mean T-34/85 then?

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:28 
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I thought the ingame one had the 85mm? :?

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
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UGBEAR wrote:
T-72B and other high-end tanks.......useless



while the T-72B sucks because its way too expensive, i dont agree with you about the T64. the T64 really is a good tank that can hold its own quite well.

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:32 
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Guggy wrote:
I thought the ingame one had the 85mm? :?

It does, but you were talking about the poor hit rate of the Panther, so I was wondering if you meant T-34/85 instead.

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
PostPosted: Thu 5 Apr 2012 04:45 
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The Striker.

An accuracy 4(iirc) MCLOS ATGM track for 30pts.

The base model cannot hit the broadside of a battleship. With max vet it is looking like a faster, lighter armoured TOW M113, except it is MCLOS so the missile is painfully slow, giving even a severely narcoleptic enemy time to escape, attack the Stiker or break lock.

The base model is worth 10pts maybe. Assuming it is going to be taken with max vet, it is worth 15-20pt base at most.

Otherwise only reason to take it is in a gimmick deck.


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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
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With WWII Russian optics, I wouldn't be surprised, but I think 1000m is a little on the harsh side. Anyone more knowledgeable on this care to comment?

The T-34/85M fielded ingame is not the WW2 model, but one from 1969 ...

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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
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Guggy wrote:
I'm pretty sure that at 1500 meters, Panthers had a 5% hit rate first shot. And not going to go all "GERMANY UBER ALLES" crap here, but I think its genuinely accepted the German long 75 had better ballistics than the Soviet 85mm


It's not really a problem of balistic, but of optics. The Soviet guns were renowned for their external balistic (after the shell exit the gun), while the germans were renowned for their internal balistic (inside the gun). Look at all the excellent artillery guns they built (ZiS-3, the famous ML-20 152 mm, etc.). Some of them were even loved by the Germans! The optics were the real soviet problem because it needs a very quality oriented industry, something the Soviets weren't ready to have. The Soviet WWII optics weren't very good, particularly before 1943. However I remember reading that after that, the Soviet started to copy captured german optics (and Soviets were expert at reverse engineering). Probably that the industrial quality was lower however.


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 Post subject: Re: Most useless units
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US Riflemen (everything is a better choice)

May be they ain't the best NATO infantry, but they're the only one that may come with the strongest NATO IFV: the Bradley.

Is the Bradly armor really so much worse than the Marder? The marders have 2 front and side armor which lets me butcher cheap pact MBTs with autocanon marders. They're both about 30 tons, though the bradly is aluminium while the marder is steel. The Bradleys are really frail if you're pushing into enemy territory. The bradley doesn't offer me much over the much cheaper amx-10p if I'm charging into enemy positions.


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