Most of the tube artillery in the game is pointless, because there are other units which are far superior.

For NATO the AuF is best followed by the Paladin - everything else is pointless.

For Pact the MSTA-S is best followed by the Malka - everything else is pointless.

I beg to differ. I find DANA the best arty.

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The DANA seems to be a lot more precise, but I dont really know why. Acc is 10 for both. Maybe the maximum range has a influence? That would explain the good spread of the Burrito aswell. But why?

Cause acuracy is for the max range and increase when you come closer...

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That is not what I meant.

The msta tree in general isnt bad, the 55s/65s are a decent choice if u want a couple guns for a rainy day without dumping 200 points into them. Same with the 109a2, altho mortar carriers are better for this.

My choice for most useless unit? Chaparrals, I buy them every game just to watch a battery of 3 shoot 12 missiles at 1-2 targets and miss, then rape my HEMTTs and do it again.

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Regarding Pact arty. Did a quick test.

Best accuracy: Dana (Approximate radius ~2 units)
Second best: MSTA-S, Malka, 2S3M Akatsiya (Approximate radius ~3 units)
Worst: Pion, 2S3 Akatsiya (Approximate radius ~4 units)

Interestingly the MSTA-S, Malka and the better Akatsiya all have the same accuracy. It is literally exactly the same. I would guesstimate the Dana hits an area approximately half the size of these guns (radius of about 2/3). This means that you get no accuracy boost for the MSTA-S and in terms of firepower the only bonus is a rate of fire from 4/min to 5/min. Hardly seems worth the extra 25 points, though you do get stronger misc stuff which some might want.

For me the choice is between the Dana and the 2S3M Akatsiya out of these guns. Accuracy vs cost. You get more firepower delivered on target with the Akatsiya, but your target area is larger. I'd tend to go for the Dana myself.

Of course then we have the Malka. The question here is whether the HE 7 is worth the loss in accuracy, fire rate and unit speed for only 10 pts less vs the Dana. I think this depends a bit on how good your opponent is. I personally think that large explosions are more useful against better opponents because they're likely to get out of the way after the first few hit. Not sure if that makes it worth it over the other two though. It's also worth bearing in mind that accuracy is a double edged sword. Sometimes with arty you actually want to be less accurate!

So, to conclude, the MSTA-S is pointless in my opinion, as is the basic Akatsiya and the Pion. I must admit to being a little confused as to how the Dana can be more accurate to the MSTA-S, but the Pion less than the Malka if we assume the secondary variable is max range. They show opposing characteristics in this regard.

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at 10 points for the m113 i find them awesome. Yes they die fast by have the potential to kick most enemy vehicles in the balls. and the low cost means than whit one kill they usually pay for themselves ifnot for several of them. They are also a nice bullet magnet especially if people do not bother aiming all units. Just let these guys pop on the enemy's screen first to take the pain and let the units behind them dish it out. And if they are ignored then they get some nice licks in. I do not use the jeep mounted version but might try it.

Yeah, I wondered the same... And I assume it has something to do with the maximum range of the artillery piece.

This would explain the great acc. of the mortars and the burratino as well.

The 'misc' stuff on the MSTA-S is very useful. It has a reasonable AP Gun (great when when vetted), it has a HMG, it travels at 60kph and it 3/1/0/1 armour which can come in very useful. Considering it costs the same as the Dana, but it is part of a larger tree, has a much larger range, almost double the ammo plus all the other points above, I think that this makes the MSTA-S superior, but I suppose it depends on how you are using them.

Did you test the accuracy of the units all at the same range or all at their max ranges? The MSTA-S is accurate even at full range, but at closer ranges it is devastating.