I wasn't even aware Russia had a 4-tube launcher for any kind of ATGM. In fact, I've read a few sources that flat-out state Russia does not have such a launcher. At best, they have the APU-6 and APU-8 for the 9K121 Vikhr system, and the 8-tube launcher for the Ataka-V. Additionally, I'm pretty sure the wingtip pylons of the Mi-24 series (pre-Mi-24VM/PM) aren't capable of handling a load that heavy. IMO, a better load for the Mi-24 to keep it's weapons relatively the same would be 2 UB-32 pods (firing S-5 rockets) for a total of 64 rockets on the two inner-most pylons, and the two outer pylons of each wing carrying two Shturm-V tubes (called "Kokon" ingame). The same would go for the Mi-24VP, unless the S-8 rocket series were added, in which case I'd suggest giving the Mi-24VP two B-8V20A rocket pods.


They're both 122mm rockets, but I think that's where the similarities stop. The S-13 was designed as an intermediary between the 57mm and 240mm rockets, specifically to take out hardened structures, like bunkers and hardened aircraft shelters. It was also designed to crater runways. To this effect, the concrete-piercing version (S-13T) actually has two warheads to ensure that at least one warhead goes off after penetration. They began research into a design around 1969, and by 1979 it was in testing. Given that the BM-21 entered service around 1964, I think its safe to say they use different rockets.


Yeah, the S-13 has a stated effective range of 1600-3000m, as opposed to the S-8 rocket's 1300-4000m range.


According to Wikipedia, they only produced about 24 before production halted. Granted, Russia also only produced a couple prototypes of the Mi-28 before the Soviet Union collapsed, yet we can still play around with those. I think we can ascribe this to "what if the USSR had managed to stay afloat in 1990 and continued with scheduled production of their plans from 1989."

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That time Ka-50 was winner against Mi-28 in state competition and only one was to be attack helicopter so from my view if we should add some years to Soviet Union Blacksharks were officially to be attack helicopters. After the fall of Union Mi-28 after improvements was taken back as main attack chopper and Ka-50 as chopper for special operations. (I d love to see those Vikhrs in action )

I made a similar point in the Suggestions thread.

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but what is the issue? Only the model I suppose. because mi-28 in real life have 16 missiles.

Yeah, the issue is the missiles. I'd be in support of it, but honestly I think alot of people could argue it'd warrant a price increase on an already terribly expensive helicopter

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The issue is that the Mi-28 has 8 Missiles ingame, while it should have 16.

Which issue are you talking about, the OP's? The other issues is that the models of all Mi-24 variants, plus the Mi-28, show them with B-8V20A rocket pods instead of UB-32A or B-13L1 (left) pods for their S-5 or S-13 rockets, respectively. The number of missiles on the Mi-24VP also doesn't match the number of launcher tubes on the model.
Finally, the number of rockets on the various Mi-24 variants isn't correct. If the UB-32 pod is assumed to be what was intended to be on the Hind if it is using S-5 rockets, then the Mi-24A and Mi-24D should have 128 rockets, the Mi-24V should have 64, and the Mi-24VP should have 128 (and only 4 missiles). The Mi-24P has the correct number of rockets, if you assume the four rocket pods on the model are supposed to be B-13L1 pods.

It should be noted that the S-5 rocket could also be carried in UB-16 pods, which carry 16 rockets per pod. These were more common on some helicopters (like the Mi-8) and some fixed-wing aircraft (like the Su-7, MiG-21). The UB-32 pod was developed later, though the UB-16 might still be used for pylons not strong enough for the UB-32.

There are a few variants of both the UB-16 and UB-32 pods. Poland also made its own UB-16 called the Mars-2. It rather resembles the UB-16-57D, with its snubbed nose. See here and here, and in fact is on the recon Mi-2 URN uses these pods on the model. The UB-16 pod you'd likely find on helicopters would be the UB-16-57UM and UB-16-57UMP. The UB-16-57U is a streamline design, similar to the B-8M1, and is more appropriate for fixed-wing aircraft that have to worry more about aerodynamic drag.


Maybe they could make it less accurate, say dropping down to Accuracy 9 (same as Kokon). Keep in mind that the Hellfire has fire-and-forget capability.

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Hello all!

The Mars pods purpose was mainly for training, or for aircraft that couldn't carry heavier pods. It certainly wasn't used on Mi-24.
And here is Mi-24W (or V in game) with 8 ATGM configuration
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland---Air/Mil-Mi-24W/0991462/L/&sid=9153b1d8f8051f5c4fa406caedfb659d
Though I think this is polish modification, not common among other users of this type.

Launchers for Shturm with 4 tubes were used on armed versions of Ka-27 but as far as I know not on Mi-24.
And Kokon is the name of missile for Shturm system... so it is 9M114 Shturm system with 9M114 Kokon missiles

Also though UB-32 pods can be seen in Afghanistan (maybe cause of less weight), in "World War 3" probably they wouldn't be used. Lowest "real combat" caliber is 80 mm.

Probably similar in use to the Russian UB-16-57, then.



Cool. I knew the configuration existed, though I've never seen a picture of it. I often see Mi-24V's equipped this way in DCS Black Shark. In any event, I made a post suggesting this loadout for the Mi-24V and VP in the Suggestions thread.


Funny enough, I just learned about that today from different sources. I actually found a picture of the 4-missile tubes as well, though good luck asking me to find it again. It was a closeup image, so I don't know what helo it was attached to. It was supported by struts rather than an actual wing, so that nixes the possibility of it being an Mi-24, Mi-28 or Ka-50.


Pilots generally viewed them as largely ineffective when they were used in Afganistan. However, the S-8 rocket didn't enter service until about 1984, so any conflict before then would likely still be using the S-5 rocket, with the S-24 used for heavier targets.
If they add in S-8 rockets, I think they should reduce the amount of stun that those 57mm rockets produce.

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Hmm I did some browsing on Airliners and seems Czechs also use missiles on inner wingtips, so maybe it is not so uncommon after all
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Czech-Republic--/Mil-Mi-24V/1936694/&sid=cfa046bfbf0266cf166179817c7fbf1f