yeah it's hard to do that when vulcans and rolands are shooting at you though.

I deleted some posts from this topic.
If you are going to repost try to write it more like "this is my opinion" than "this is my opinion and it is the only true opinion because I am the best here and you suck if you disagree"

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I don't know about that. I've been using the VTS-1 for quite some time now and if their armor is certainly a perk, it rarely becomes a determining factor in a fight, mainly because anything you are likely to send your VTS-1s against has enough AP, even at max range, to ignore it.
I value them just as much as I value the Zhalo, with a twist that makes me prefer them but I can see someone else preferring the Zhalo.

Dont even think about increasing the price on the VTS1 whitout increasing the price of every unit in the WP tank selection by 10.

It's more than a perk imo. The side 2 armor makes the VTS1 much much more resistant to rockets, be they from MLRS systems or helos, and makes autocannon + HMG fire p. much useless against them. As tigga said after our game "they simply do not die"

The only thing that can appreciably damage a marder is a tank main gun or a ATGM. That's a huge difference when compared to the Zhalo, which has little side armor and can be taken out by most everything.

I agree with that, it's just that it seems my VTS1 encounter main guns of all sorts way too often for their armor to be that important.
But maybe it's just my way of using it or a specific set of opponents.

Do you have the replay of that game btw? Didn't see it through.

Here's 3 VTS1 videos. One is vs tigga (end result, a draw as tigga snipes a command truck en transit), two are vs a > 1700 ranked elo player that happen back to back. I lose the first (again, sloppy with command trucks, I have issues I know) and the 2nd happens immediately after. So he knows exactly what's coming and tailors his defense accordingly, and still gets crushed.

The beginning/rush portion of these replays is pretty consistent across every game I've played. The only loss I've had was against Stubborn, and even that wasn't really a defeat

Just watch the replay and said "I need to make a test by myself". Make a new deck with some unit you use and try it in ranked vs a 1700+ guy.

This little marder are really a good pick ! Maybe a +5 point cost ? But don't really know, Just a one time test, need some sleep

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I swear they were 25 in the closed beta, should go back to that.

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Guys! Guys! No one uses BMPT or Buratino!

After some hours of test... Yes, Marder is both underpriced and accurate at max level.

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