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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 11:45 
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Okay the my fist post here got a concise and quick answer so I will try to pop in another one.

I know the virtues of the M151A2 I-TOW but I feel I have more "ambushy" ATGM usage covered by my Milan F2 teams in VAB's. Right now I am looking for a somewhat armored ATGM carrier that is fast enough to keep up with my armored pushes (will use one or two of them). (Not as a primary damage dealer but rather give me the option of outranging tank guns and damaging high armor opponents frontally)

I have tried to pick out a few ones that I am interested in, what do you think about them?

AMX HOT
Pros: Large supply of missiles , okay price.
Cons: Bad armor

Jaguar 1
Pros: Fair supply of missiles , okay price and good front armor.
Cons: Bad rear armor

Jaguar 2
Pros: Fair supply of missiles , accurate ATGM and "good" front armor.
Cons: Bad rear armor, expensive

M901 ITW
Pros: Fair supply of missiles , accurate ATGM.
Cons: Expensive

M2A1 Bradley IFV
Pros: Auto cannon, accurate ATGM.
Cons: Expensive.

Marder 1A1
Pros: Auto cannon, "good" front/side armor and good price.
Cons: ATGM probably wont cut it.

M3A1 Bradley CFV
Pros: Auto cannon, accurate ATGM and doubles as recon.
Cons: Really expensive.

M551A1 Sheridan
Pros: Main cannon, "good" front armor and okay price.
Cons: Average ATGM.

M60A2E2 Starship
Pros: Main cannon, auto cannon, "good" front/side armor and okay price.
Cons: ATGM probably wont cut it and a bit slow.

MBT-70
Pros: Main cannon, auto cannon, great (for the role) front/side armor .
Cons: Average ATGM, Really expensive.


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 11:57 
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VAB MEPHISTOS.

Pros: Fast, no need to ressuply with fuel EVER (so all the supplies go to the ATGMS), acceptably powerful/accurate.
Cons: Weak armour (enough to survive artillery).

For your information, all wheeled vehicles go at the same speed on roads and all tracked vehicles go at the same speed on roads. The displayed speed is "Offroad".

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:15 
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You considered the M150 and VAB Mephisto at all?
It's always a tradeoff. There is no cheap and overly good unit - if there was, it'd be considered OP. Therefore you need to ask yourself: quality or quantity? Like you've described, the list of units you can choose from is huge. You definitely have a lot of choices. It often comes down to speed, armor, availability and price. What do you value the most?

What do I use? Currently the VAB Mephisto. Why? It's incredibly fast, meaning fast deployment and re-deployment, cheap and available in good numbers and the ATGM is mediocre (good enough). Other good ones would be the AMX/HOT as it's similarly cheap and comes with the AMX-10P/Milan in case you want to deploy autocannons, and the M150 which is in the same branch as the M901. I choose to deploy mediocre quality in greater numbers - this way I present the enemy more targets to shoot at, plus I can spread my force more.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:15 
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VAB mephisto. It does good enough and is pretty fast.


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:21 
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You seem to bee the answer machine here :)

I considered including the VAB in my list, but was a bit put of by the low armor and the wheels in heavy terrain (everything else except the logistics in my tank unit is tracked). But maybe I should reconsider, I mean I already use the VAB and the VAB PC :)

It just feels a bit like a less micro intensive VAB with milan F2 (though with a tad more range and more missiles)...

If you were forced to pick one of the tracked ones from the list which one would it be. (I know wheeled is not a huge deal breaker but still) If it weren't so damn expensive the M3A1 Bradley CFV looks tempting due to the fact that it is dual role, but that's two eggs in one fragile and relatively expensive basket...


BTW your three unit guides are great and was super when I started of, and I hope you will produce more of them)
*edit* ops missed more answers, I know it might not be the best priority but I was after a bit of armor and tracks, thats why I didn't include the Mephisto and the M150 (even though its tracked i only included the upgrade since its more armored and has a better ATGM, but its very expensive so maybe I should have included the M150). Maybe I should reevaluate my priority's since so many of you seem to be valuing the mephisto high...


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:27 
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I would go for starships, as they have independent autocannons and so can provide a more diverse version of support to armored force or act as an economy of force unit.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:32 
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Cyk0 wrote:
You seem to bee the answer machine here :)

I considered including the VAB in my list, but was a bit put of by the low armor and the wheels in heavy terrain (everything else except the logistics in my tank unit is tracked). But maybe I should reconsider, I mean I already use the VAB and the VAB PC :)

It just feels a bit like a less micro intensive VAB with milan F2 (though with a tad more range and more missiles)...

If you were forced to pick one of the tracked ones from the list which one would it be. (I know wheeled is not a huge deal breaker but still) If it weren't so damn expensive the M3A1 Bradley CFV looks tempting due to the fact that it is dual role, but that's to eggs in one fragile and relatively expensive basket...



BTW your three unit guides are great and was super when I started of, and I hope you will produce more of them)


The CFV is a bad choice in my opinion, as it's really expensive and a recon. You really want to keep your recon safe, not in the front line with crappy armor shooting stuff. It's a bullet magnet.

If I really had to choose, It'd probably be the M150/M901. You get great availability, plus even the M150 has better accuracy than the VAB Mephisto (8 vs 7, however AP is 12 vs 13). It's slower, but it has tracks ;) and you get a mediocre + great ATGM carrier in the same slot.

This said, there's the Bradley IFV that costs the same as the M901, has the same missile and also autocannon... but carries only 6 missiles. Choices, my friend, choices... :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:54 
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Buck Turgidson wrote:
This said, there's the Bradley IFV that costs the same as the M901, has the same missile and also autocannon... but carries only 6 missiles. Choices, my friend, choices... :lol:

Yea I feel the Bradely wins that comparison since 6 ATGM's should be enough for a a combat, and the ability to transport infantry is a nice plus.

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I would go for starships, as they have independent autocannons and so can provide a more diverse version of support to armored force or act as an economy of force unit.
They would be nice when faced with swarms of light vehicles or infantry, but I am afraid the migh be a bit let down by the sub par ATMG for this role (A bit low damage, low accuracy and range) Since they wont help me as much when facing tanks with high front armor and the longer range main guns.


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 12:59 
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I would go with any I-TOW carrier, I-TOWs have the chance to one-shoot any ground vehicle with a crit and will insta kill everything with 5 or fewer armor.
M3 Bradleys arent bad, but with recon, autocannon and ATGM carrier a bit too much for a single unit when you lose it.
Jeeps arent bad, but need constant supply and are very fragile. They are better suited for hit&run.
M901 is actualy a good choise, it has enough supply to act independent for a while and you get the recoiless rifle vehicle with the same line. Those are actualy decent defenders against vehicle spam and good for harassing enemy tanks, you have to vet them though to give them any first strike capability because they are quite fragile.


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012 13:03 
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Personallyim still using itow jeeps, cheep and small, use them to flank in support of armour, what they lack in armour the make in ATM price and stealth

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