Thanks. Yeah you'll probably have to resort to those tactics. Granted I've only played one game today, but I was seriously caught off guard by the number of ATGMs I faced. I expected to see noticeably more but nothing to that extent. My solid pre-patch mix of units was wiped out within a minute.

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Yeah it could just be because everyone's still taking the sorts of armies that worked with the old metagame. Prepatch small forces of expensive heavies worked well, but now they'll be far too vulnerable to ATGM spam without some cheap stuff to bulk them out. But hopefully ATGM spam will be vulnerable to arty and 10-20 point unit spam that can just overwhelm it, while cheap unit spam alone will still be weak to heavies and the newly buffed mediums. That way your force will eventually have to be a good mix of ATGMs, cheap spammy stuff and a few medium tanks and/ or heavies to boot.

Unless of course 10-20 point units and arty can't beat ATGM spam, in which case we'll have a bit of a problem


EDIT: The most spammable ATGMs (infantry and jeeps) are extremely vulnerable to arty and can be killed by small arms fire and one-shotted by T55s, BMP1s and other such fodder units, so they're not without their downsides. You can get around that (as PACT anyway) by taking tanks with ATGMs, but then you're paying significantly more per missile, which means that you're still going to be at risk of being overwhelmed by cheap unit spam since you'll be firing less ATGMs per volley than you would be if you'd went for jeeps or infantry.

I had an interesting encounter which taught me someting about the mechanics regarding Missle tanks. I had 2 T-62M-V's in the forest edge and 2 T-64B's in the bushes about 60m to the right encounter 4 Leopard 2A4s that just came over a ridge, the battle was close range at probably 200-300m. The leopards concentrated on the 64B's and took them out however lost 2 as well and took some damage on the other two, then the T-62's finished off the last 2 leopards with one 62 taking heavy damage but both T-62's survived. I'm guess the accuracy of these Pact medium tanks, range and spacing helped pull this off, at a longer range I doubt the outcome would have been the same.

The strange thing is the T-62M-V's in the forest edge with thier 10acc and 12dmg ATGM never fired a single missle, yet they had line of site and just used guns. it appears that if your in range of guns then they'll use guns, and only if your out of range of guns would they automatically use ATGM. Next time if I'm likely to encounter a short range battle I'm guessing what you'll need to do is turn off the gun. If you don't want to micro manage then you'll need to watch placement and ensure you have visability out to 2600m+ to be able to use those missles, otherwise they just make interesting Tank decoration as was the case in the scenario above.

If you absolutely want to use the ATGMs, you can switch off th main gun. Just remember though that non HEAT shots (basically LAW/RPG and ATGMs) deal more damage the closer they are to the target. A gun will have an overall rate of fire that's superior to ATGM fire for similar damage on hit at close range.

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What ive noticed is that its forcing people to use less expensive units, and focus more on using Air, and Artillery assets more. I used to see 2-4 Leo2a4's coming at me while my T80U's and 64BV's would brawl with them.

Now im using The cheaper 64's and T80BV's. Ive started to buy Chieftains as NATO and Super M60s to compliment my Challengers. I feel this patch has made the lesser used units a bigger part of the game because now, investing tons of points into these Heavy tanks has become pointless.

They used to be the Jack of All trades, now they arent. They have a counter now which i find great. If i see a Leo2a4 coming at me, i dont need to worry about pulling my T80U's over to counter, i can just fight back with ATGM's and flank with the up ranged mediums.

I think its become a lot better, seeing as how now artillery is not so much a pound them for points, and actually used strategically. Ive played maybe 15 games since the patch and DLC and ive been seeing artillery used against my troops more then ive seen people fishing for CV's or trying to shoot at my base. I think its a lot better this way then it used to be.

Still, 6 point front armor would not save from high end ATGM hit.

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Praslovan:
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My reply is the game has more tactics now. Micro and Macro. Wasting all your supplies on ATGMS is a solid NO
I had a game when this NATO guy didn't micro the ATGMs spending the supplies of 4 HEMMETS in a quick mater of time (I perfer ATGM units with 2-1 vet since the ATGMs still dont hit alot) He took out my T-80As and some T-64Bs but when I counter fired with cannons and ATGMs he lost the whole match. Microing to much will leave you out the Macro game. You will get flanked and no matter what you do are how good you micro expect some counter ATGM fire. I group units into "Teams" 1 Heavy Tank, 1 ATGM carrier, 1 Medium tank and perhaps some other Heavy tank, Med or ATGM carrier. ATGM will provide counter fire. If he fails to attack your ATGM carrier the new buffed range of some meds would reach you and would provide moral lose and destroy your ATGM units. The heavy tank will decimate you if left unchecked so you need to micro well. But since thats only one group the other 6 groups would crush the ATGM spam.

Yeah but it has too hit. The ATGM accuracy was left unchanged so the Kobras, Konkurs or Milans, Tows would hit 2/10 or at most 4/10. I only try fielding few ATGM units scattered in groups with 1-2 vet. But BMP-1s is a different story

Well T64B is cheap enough to get several of them in a squad, not to mention BMP 1P.

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Praslovan:
"Tactical Ikalugin inbound on this position in 10... 9..."

Helicopters became more important. Pact has ATGM on tank but NATO has cheaper choppers with useful ATGM (The acc 3 ones on pact side doe snot really count). That balance things.


Think things will develop quite nicely. Now a proper force will be forced to have hevy, medium tanks, infantary and helicopters as well as AA.