What makes Chasseurs FAMAS look so good is the fact that they mainly face motostrelki and motostrelci (the infantry backbone of most pact players). Mot.-Schützen on the other hand whipe the floor with Chasseurs FAMAS, as do most other elite pact infantries.
As Cygnus said its their unmatched combination of AT, availability, squadmembers, apc and their cost. And for NATO only Jägers and, to some extend, Fusiliers come close.

That is very interesting find.

I guess Chasseurs Famas isn't so absolutely ideal choice as I previously thought, but in my opinion they still offer clearly best overall package for NATO rifle infantry (also I find their availability quite sufficient unless you literally want to spam hordes of infantry).

Poor riflemen are even worse then previously thought. Can they even beat Heimatshutzen or 5pt Chasseurs?

The Riflemen by themselves are the worst 10 point NATO infantry. But the fact the basic M113 costs only 5 makes them a quite decent infantry ; you can for example pay 18 deployment points to get vet 1 Riflemen (and a vet 1 M113). At vet 1, they have 7.5 and 6.5 accuracy for the M16 and M72 LAW respectively.

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The problem with riflemen isn't exactly their crappy stats (I use motostrelki all the time, which have the same stats), but the absolutely horrible transports that come with them. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's either the M113 for 5 points which will run out of fuel just by getting called in, and goes 40km/h, or Bradleys which are overpriced for what they are. At least with motostrelki I got myself a decent 5 pt transport (BTR) with decent fuel economy/speed or the BMP1 series which are quite good.

The thing with Rifle men and Moterstrelki is you can two vet (22 points) them giving them identical rifle accuracy to FAMAS and better LAW/RPG accuracy. The M113 and BTR60 will have a much more accurate stunning HMG as well.

Much better cost effectiveness but slower and shorter ranged transport .

It's exactly what I do with my Riflemen, though I go to vet 1 (18 points).

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Why are Fusiliers not more powerful than Jäger when they have more rof? Can you test Heimatshutzen as well. Also, I started using regular Chasseurs and they don't seem to be as weak as their stats would suggest. They're supposed to have bolt-action rifles, but to me, it seemed like an automatic fire. It would be interesting to see how well they fare against others.


That's actually very interesting. Does this apply to the soviet 7.62x39mm as well? If that's the case, then Piechota Zmech should be more powerful than people think.




What makes you think that vetting Riflemen is more cost-effective than having more Riflemen?

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It's the same debate as whether to vet units or not ; as we all know, when the accuracy of a unit is below 6, for a given budget, you get more firepower at maximum range by vetting your units than by buying green ones. Vetted units also means they're less susceptible to combat stress, and because they're less numerous for an equal budget, have a smaller logistical footprint.

However, there are some downsides ; as they're less numerous, they can cover less area and don't benefit as much from the morale bonus of the numbers.

But quantity isn't something I'd rely upon that much when using infantry in a slow APC ; for defensive purposes, 4 Riflemen squads are generally enough to very well defend a sector IMO, so there's no point in deploying more units.

For me, the compromise between veterancy and numbers (unless I have OVER 9000 deployment points) is to deploy Riflemen at vet 1 or 2. I prefer vet 1 because you pay them for 18 deployment points instead of a true cost of 18.75 , and because it's still cheaper than most infantry squads (Don't tell me you love deploying Fusiliers in the FV603 Saracen...).

It's also more interesting to deploy units that aren't vet 4, because the units that you deploy vetted are generally cheap in comparison to their targets, meaning they can vet pretty quickly for free.

For the question of compromise between quantity and veterancy, you can take a look at Tigga's replays IIRC ; he always deployed Marder VTS1s in groups of 3 vet 1 units. If he only cared about maximum firepower, he'd have used vet 4 VTS1s...

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I do

But then i rarely ever spawn units with vet.

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