I know this has been discussed a few times but... an AA system with with search radar and slightly larger gun caliber is outranged by a APC chassis with nothing but a 20mm gatling gun. The vulcan could hit supersonic aircraft with luck but the shilka was still on a higher level. Why doesnt the shika have at least the same range as the vulcan or get btter accuracy? By making it marginally more useful it be more common. I know people will start with "balance" but I honstly think at least some historical accuracy has to shown.

BTW I've always wondered what the difference between shilka and afganskii was... The chassis seem to be different what about the weaponery ?

I think the whole behaviour of burst weapons vs 5HP helo is to be looked at. Infantry almost instantly kill them but AAA fail most of the time. Giving 5HP helo a better resitance to infantry weaponery would allow a buff to some AAA including the shilka.

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The Afghanskii got 10kmh more speed and side armor for the same 20p. The shilka family truly is among the most pitiful units, wouldn't even use the Biryusa. I use the Afghanskii sometimes but against ground targets, for which it is better fitted with its low speed and range. The existance of ZSU-53 and Kamaz also don't make them anymore attractive.

I used the BTR with the quad HMG a few times... I liked the sound of "quad HMG" (like quad damage) wasn't worth it either. I dunno the devs sure like creating a lot of crap units, maybe they were only for singleplayer but they thought lets keep them in for MP, more toys more fun?

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Afganskii - no radar. Only ground support.

But we know how it is in W:EE

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Hmm just a fun idea. Give Shilka good optics to resemble the Radar? Sounds a bit freaky but, I'd instantly try it out if I had mod tools.

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Optics? More like accuracy... Shilka was very accurate with good density of fire.

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more like range as well. Lets not start about the ROF, read about something of 4000/min but ye it ain't a sim. Maaan with tools I'd pimp its HE as well.

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NATO gets the flakpanzer with ~2200 meter range AA autocannons.

The Warsaw Pact gets no AA gun (not missiles) with that range except on the Tunguska, but it gets a missile anyway and from my experience the missile gets used ten times more often. Also its expensive compared to the flakpanzer.

Okay well there is the ZSU for 20pts. But with 2 accuracy who would ever use this thing? (maybe vetted?)

Not to mention some of the other Pact AA, like the Kamaz, or Strela-10.

I totally support giving the SHILKA + variants a range buff.

Don't let that 2acc frighten you off from using the ZSU, it will hit.

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It's the accuracy/damage that's the problem with the shilka.

I've had 3 afghanskis around a command truck in a forest, 3 gazelles took out the command truck (don't have a replay sadly). Would that have happened had they been Vulcans? I doubt it, the vulcan is a lot better. Shilkas should rip up lightly armoured helis like the gazelle. But they don't.

Maybe my experience was just bad luck, I dunno.