MWM for WiC did just that. This is why I wish for the mod tools.

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Well I'm sure you can try your thing with mod tools, but such outlandish ideas don't belong in a balance discussion.

Okay, if Shilka/Chapparal comparison is too specialized, let's talk about more obvious balance issues, like T-64BV armor compared to Abrams armor.

IRL T-64BV has about 80mm side armor, plus ERA on about half of it, back is about 60mm.
IRL early M1A1 has about 50mm side armor (but no ERA), back can be penetrated by 30mm autocannon (actually, turret motor on the back can be set on fire with an HMG, disabling the tank).

In short, T-64BV can be penetrated in the side by a good shot of any tank cannon about 50% of the time.
Abrams can be penetrated close to 100% of the time.
In the back, T64BV can be penetrated by any tank cannon.
Abrams can be penetrated with most anything down to large thrown rocks.

However, in-game Abrams has SEVEN side armor (more than T64BM has in front!) and still double the armor of the T64BV in the back.



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Even though I usually try to bring in a "distractive force", in that game there wasn't any. Just 2 micromanaged T-80U's with garbage trucks behind them.



The difference between your stunts and my stunts with T-80U is that I can pull that off in almost every single game. The T-80U does that crazy genocide consistenly, it's certainly not luck or the enemy making a mistake.

For example, here's another one:



Here, you can how "heavily supported" they were in that conflict:


Another one here:


I can provide these daily. Will focus on those Leo 2A4 kills in the future, I promise. It certainly won't be a problem since a single T-80U has nearly as much firepower against 10 armour as 3x Leo 2A4's. If only I had a dollar for each heavy tank kill

That's a nice theory, but even though T-80Us can't safely advance in choke points, forests or urban areas, they own everything in large open areas, isn't that bad enough? It's not like you can't send in cheaper units to get in there and take care of those preventing them from advancing.

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Loool, The enemy in that screen blob moves his grouped heavies (some of them Abrams) without recon and you are telling me that he's not making a mistake. What if he actually had scouted and destroyed your Spetznatz? Your recon jeep is hanging a bit far back then. Also is that all of your AA. Chopper call-in from Elena against one of your U's side armor, delicious.

You can post tons of screenshots here, it still wont prove anything. Nobody knows the game situations behind them and without that they are just pretty pictures.

Also: Your use of the word genocide is neither cool, nor correct. Do you even know what it means?

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Overall I think things are mostly balanced. However I'd like to see a Pact AA toned down a little and/or Nato air made less flimsy.

Outside logistics helos and inserting suicide arty hunters, there's little to no reason to actually deploy most Nato air. Pact air on the other hand I regularly get effective use from, due to the fact they don't spontaneously combust without warning.

A system that outranges helicopter borne ATGMs by two km, has high accuracy and will smite pretty much anything it hits in one hit is just a retarded concept for this game.

Shorter ranged, high power/accuracy is fine. If you get your helicopters in range of those due to poor recce its your own fault

High ranged stuff low accuracy/power is also fine. You can make a conscious decision to risk losing one of a chopper pair to fire and get some use out of them, or try and pull out your recce helo before the second missile finishes it off.

High ranged stuff with high accuracy and one hit kill power? Well that just disincentivises me taking anything other than behind the lines logistics helos, transports for Special Forces and suicide Canon Gazelles.

Wrong, he had plenty of recon, in fact he rushed me with infantry first, but infantry in cover is hard to spot that's why my Spetsnatz are still there. That shot was taken in the middle of a battle after high casaulties on both sides. I lost a BUK-M1 and a bunch of ATGMs to their heavy rocket arty spam.


I didn't say that.


No, it's in perfect position in that moment.



Sure, like it would have stood a chance against vetted OSA's and possibly a BUK pre-patch. Also, no points for a proper ATGM heli because they decided to invest in rocketspam instead.

Whatever. Got the point though?


I know exactly what it means. And if you think my use of it isn't correct, it's just a matter of perspective.

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Either way, any talk about T-80U vs Leo2A4 is completely irrelevant due to both of them being killed by 3 ATGMs to the front armor.

Pact choppers die exactly same way/. They survive first shot... but are sooo slugish that they cannot even stop advancing or start moving before a second shot hits them.

That sided with fact that pact helicopters are more expensive to achieve same offensive power means that his are a is probably the least unbalanced in this game. Mi24 resilience is ONLY relevant against infantry fire.

Both sides are equally balanced and do not reflect Real Life.

Because this isnt.... real life.

Although only having two T80u is probably real life as they probably had 100 but 47 were rusting in a field with the other 51 being plagued with mechanical issues so the remaining two were on parade in moscow. Hence you get to deploy two.

The only advantage one has over the other is Infantry. NATO has better options and more of them partly in fact due to people whining about infantry rushes and the numbers having been cut from 10 man teams down to 5. Since most NATO units deploy 10 men you can buy two when they have to buy 4 for the same number of troops. It's still balanced for points though so pts vs pts there is no unbalance just better options which is a individual choice on how you use them.

Now PACT has more APC "caskets" driving around the map now a days with 5 men teams. Sometimes it brings back visions of duck hunt from Nintendo when NATO armor and autocannons open up on the approaching infantry blob except there is no dog poking his head up laughing as he too already took a cannon round to the face from a tank.

Hate that dog.

Don't rush Infantry out in the open.

Play well my friends.