Does anyone use these? I've seen them used a few times, but as far as I can tell they just can't compare to the range and power of the BUK/KUB-M1.

I know they have a huge rate of fire, which can make up for that accuracy, but they only get 2 more missiles than the KUB. The strela-10 gets 12 missiles, which is pretty nice, but its range is only worth it to use as defense if the enemy helicopters are already attacking (but at that range you could also just be using IGLA infantry with way better missiles for less cost).

I know I've probably missed a few things in my analysis but from the looks of it they are just not as cost efficient as the BUK/KUB-M1 units. Please correct anything I've missed.

Fully vetted OSA AKM shoots entire volleys of missiles into enemy with very high ROF and with good ACC. Cost something like 80p and is very fast, poor armor though.

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The Strela-10 MTLB is worthless. The OSA is the best AA on PACT in my opinion.

9K33 OSA is a good cheaper alternative to Tunguska, if you don't need Tunguska cannons.

MT-LB STRELA-10 simply needs a range buff, but the problem it has is also related to many other units so it needs to be treated globally - ammo count is ridiculously overpriced.

For example, choosing between I-TOW jeeps and Jaguars is a no brainer. I-TOW jeeps have much higher rof, identical missile stats and cost less than half as much. The catch is that they only carry 4 missiles whereas Jaguars carry 12.
However, it doesn't matter since we always have supply trucks sitting next to them. You might want to point out that the Jaguar 2 is armoured, but this problem isn't limited to these 2 vehicles either.

VAB MEPHISTO, WIESEL 1 TOW, FV102 STRIKER, MT-LB SHTURM-S - almost everything that carries 10 or more missiles is INSANELY overpriced and when it isn't, it's just plainly sucks - e.g. RaketenJagdPanzer.

A good case in point would be BMP-1P vs. BRDM-2 KONKUR
Both have the same missile stats and the same rof. The BMP-1P carries 5 while the BRDM-2 carries 10 missiles. However, the BRDM-2 also costs twice as much. That is nuts if you ask me. Especially when you consider that the BMP-1 has a side armor and a 73mm cannon.

The question here is how much those additional 5 missiles cost in supplies? I doubt they'd suck a 25 pts KOLOS dry.
Having an ammo count advantage shouldn't be worth more than 5 pts (or 10 in case it's HUGE one), however the BRDM-2 KONKUR shouldn't cost more than the BMP-1P, not one cent for all the other advantages the BMP-1P has.

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For this one, it's acceptable: It's the only ATGM carrier that can move that fast and for so long. You can move and infiltrate through countless woods thanks to that, and hit units behind enemy line, but otherwise what you said is inda true.

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Missile RoF makes no difference at all because missile launchers only fire again once the first missile has hit.

I-TOW jeeps with nearby supply trucks just gives the enemy more targets to effortlessly one shot with artillery rounds.

KUB-M1 costs 85p I think. But it gets a huge range bonus for 5 points and doesn't need any vet to make it a worthwhile sharpshooter. That high rate of fire might be useful for taking out helicopter swarms (spam) though.

Kinda disturbs me that SAM units get such a high HE power but when their missiles miss, they just fly off into space, the HE power doesn't come into affect. Only when the missile hits does the HE power have any chance to do some area damage. I don't think most modern missiles even have to make contact before exploding, they just have to get close. I'm kind of digressing here, I know the units who really do area damage are the AA guns.

Also yes, ammo does seem to be highly overvalued. I also find it weird how helicopter ammo is undervalued, and most huge price spikes from helicopter to helicopter come when the accuracy of the rocket pod changes but its ammo drops.

The MTLB Strela-10 is indeed completely useless. The range and the accuracy are terrible. The OSA on the other hand is a good unit, I've been thinking about replacing my Tunguskas with them. The only problem is their somewhat shorter range. However as I don't prefer spending too much into AA and BUKs feel like a bit of an overkill and also a burden (4 missiles, slow aim, vulnerable and slow), so I've preferred Tunguskas as they have a good range. The OSA range just getting a little short for my tastes, which means a lot when your main concern these days are Apaches... but it might be worthwhile getting two vetted OSAs in place of one Tunguska and keeping them somewhat close to each other, but not too close.

Also I have to agree with the overpricing of the ATGM units (as well as other quite useless units, like the Mi-2 ATGM variant). The BRDM-2 Konkurs vs BMP-1P is a perfect example of it - I'd have 2x BMP-1Ps any day over a single BRDM, besides it's two targets for the enemy to kill and you'll be firing two missiles at a time. You'd be insane to use a BRDM when you look at all the facts.

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