you do notice the difference in the engagement range? even if the tunguska misses 3 missiles in a row it will still kill the helo. if the roland misses once he'll be bombarded and die, as seen in the video. alternatively the helo will simply fly away.

make no mistake, nato AA *IS* bad, compared to the one price fits all sizes wonders that pact has. but that is obviously intentional by the devs.

wat.
your realities man, where do you find them

i maintian that the best AA on NATO side are the LAAD stinger, i wonder why you didn't even touch infantry at all in your little essay?

Last example in my video show even 5HP hog don't die from missile hit.

In you video panicked roland hit 3/3.

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It is a bit difficult to see from the video you posted but the player isn't paying attention and keeps moving the roland, even as the helicopter moves in range. The helicopter comes into rocket range and stuns the roland and then moves up close and finishes it off with ATGM. For optimal usage, SAMs should shoot at helicopters before they starts to shoot at it. Anyone unable to pay enough attention to make sure rolands do that should probably stick with AA infantry. I'm not being snarky here, seriously. A player should take his ability to control in consideration when deciding which units to use. Just don't confuse the units ability with your own.

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and didn't. kill the offender.

i don't think it hits the helo. looks more like the missiles touch ground immediadetly after firing.

Where do I find them, "man"? I am just talking about something that happened to me no later than yesterday. A twin Marder Roland section I had on Joint Ops that missed its first shoot while in the open against Mi24As, got rocketed, pinned down, and still managed to kill the buggers in the end. Yes, Marder armor does provide the little something that will make you invest a few more bills, and it can be useful. And by the way, FYI, Tunguski, even twined, sometimes happen to die under chopper rockets too...

I may even have the replay, just like you have the replays of utter AAA/SAM failure. Because the game isn't Starcraft, it's highly based on probabilities, and that even with Vetted guys, you can very well come across heroic deeds in a game, and despicable odds in another.
But just don't expect everyone with another opinion than yours to be a casual talker just because it suits your agenda better.


Maybe because I am strangely knowledgeable enough to know that "Manpads" stands for "Man-Portable Air Defense Systems"...? Seriously are you for real?!
Again, please refrain from criticizing it with such aggressiveness if you couldn't even notice I mentioned "in my little essay" a system whose acronym was obviously unknown to you, and didn't even make you raise an eyebrow. It makes the community look like a band of forever unsatisfied grumpy folks.

Listen: I don't play that game to have my fun spoiled in my forum backyard by people who obviously never touched a simulation and still rage about game balance or realism. You and a truckload of others don't like it? Well fine, leave it to us, we'll take good care of it, my "friend". I can play (end enjoy) TacOps and Steel Beasts and still appreciate W:EE a lot for what it is without overly criticizing it - if you can't do any of it, why even bother playing this stuff at all?? Play games that make you happy, it's much better for the health. True story.

This is absolutely true. As I have been saying: range is everything in AA and it's good that you agree with me. With that out of the way, let's compare some numbers.

Helo Rocket Pod: 2451m
Missile: up to 2626m
Roland: 2800m
Tunguska: 3500m
Chaparall/Buk: 4200m

If the Roland misses once, it can be killed by the helo. The Tunguska/Chaparall/Buk on the other hand will kill the helo before it even sees the AA. Exceptional players will even turn off the missiles and wait for the helo to get 1000m-500m closer and then fire away. On the other hand, if you spot a roland you simply fly away.

You do realize such situation wouldn't even arise with chaparalls/buks/tunguskas as the helis would be dead before they'd even spot the AA?







Sometimes I can make 2000 pts with a riflesquad.



you should really consider thinking before you type.



It actually makes the community look like people who are not part of any military and aren't familiar with military jargon. SURPRISE! Why don't you use the terms available to everyone that are in the game, so people can actually understand what you write?



then don't read it? if words make you rage, you're probably not good at words and should stick to your "simulations"? i really do not care about the games you play. why are you even telling me this?

raw сan you upload replay?

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Dear Raw,

Happy to see you didn't even care to underline your obvious lack of basic modern warfare knowledge, and still have the nerve of telling me to think before typing? Well, indeed, no-one should get into an argument with a 8 years old illiterate troll, it's bad for self esteem.

I'll just recycle your own comment on the matter


Well don't preach at all if you don't know or you can't read, it will most surely provide other netizens with decently nice holidays. Some people seem to find an inexplicably good reason for their mere existence at blindly raging on a game and spoiling the existence of others on a virtual space. Well I am too busy having a job and a happy life to follow you in your doubtful hobby. I hope for the sake of your heroic games that your Rolands will get more cooperative overtime. A lil' bit of objectivity and love from your side will surely help though.

Good day Sir