johnsushant wrote:"Okay sir we have been pushed back into a corner, and we cannot make any map progress forwards, but we still win" makes sense....
The very point I am trying to make. Couldn't have put it better.
How can someone win a war without even pushing an army but instead just camping at their base?
General Disarray wrote:I am coming from Men of war: Assault Squad, over there we have both "assault zones" and "combat". Combat plays like how this game plays and assaut zones like you want this to play.
Satire wrote:Your figures... Where did you get them? Most sources put the total German war (Soldiers & Civilians) dead between 6,750,000 to 8,800,000. This includes Poland, France, Africa... Et cetera.
The total dead for Russia is anywhere from 20,000,000 to 23,000,000 +
Xeno426 wrote:Hegemon wrote:I don't follow your thinking.
Have you just written that due to war and german extermination campaign SU lost ~2 mln civilians, and in retaliation took lives of ~5,5 mln civilians during race to Berlin?
In comparison without war enforcing communist ideas in Ukraine only resulted in 6-7 mln deaths during Holodomor in 1932-33.
Those are only military losses, not civilian. The original statement was with regards to losing too many men in a campaign; Satire responded that the Soviets did that and still won, and I pointed out that the actual losses were closer to parity.
Satire wrote:%10? Again, where did you source this figure, it is not comparable to the vast majority of studies on German POWs in Russia. Further, you should read Stalingrad by Anthony Beever to get a good idea of how much a German life was worth to the Russians (the same as a Russian life to a German).
Satire wrote:That and Stalin's belief that Germany would not invade... Even twelve hours after the invasion he was reluctant to allow his units to strike back... Despite thousands of Aircraft getting destroyed on the runway et cetera...
Satire wrote:Point is, the Soviet Union got absolutely decimated by the Axis, lost many times the amount of men and material and still came out victorious.
Satire wrote:Hell, they'd have destroyed the Allies too no doubt if they kept their T34s rollin.
Xeno426 wrote:Satire wrote:Hell, they'd have destroyed the Allies too no doubt if they kept their T34s rollin.
Stalin's generals were quite confident they could see the Atlantic inside two years, but Stalin's reply was "And who would feed them?"
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