I'll upload them, don't worry.

You can still join even if you're "Bad" in your own opinion. At least, you'll have spent time sharing a goal with some guys and may even learn some things.

Y U NO join?

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Player Name: Varis
Desired Map:
Preferred Faction: East Germany would be nice
Possible Nations: Can play all
Preferred Day: Sat and Sun ok
Available as Backup: Yes
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The TS server DeuZerre refers to is actually owned by Danish Gaming Club, but they've generously let the community use it.

Has it been suggested that US and USSR factions be split into 2 deck/selection choices? Could help with the overly vast unit/role options

How did 1500 points per player work out before? Do the factions with a limited number of units run out of some key ones?

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VARIS:

For NATO, it's generally balanced and each army can do it's job pretty well with just some additional support of specific lacking unit types.

For PACT, it's a lot harder. The game really depends on the USSR and GER players. CSSR generally have a "DANA" + "STROP" support role and fill gaps with their infantry, while Poland doesn't have much at all apart from infantry and spammable transports (Like SKOT mounted ATGMs) or crap tanks. If the games drags for too long or if they take a too heavy blow, they end up being pretty useless.

I don't think that there have been many PACT wins in WoN (especially with holoween managing tanks if I'm not mistaken).

Ok. Everything's been set, and it seems that we have enough people. As it's been prepared a bit too late, I think it would be best to report it to next Saturday (14th of July). The first post will be updated accordingly. Time will be decided between 7 PM and 8 PM (GMT)

The map will be Merkelburg , conquest, 16 objectives, 60 minutes time limit (No time limit proved horrible experience for me on that map).

In the event that a second game could be played and if enough people stayed motivated or wanted revenge, Airfield with a similar setting could be decided. Teams could be shuffled if people want, we'll see.

I'll keep you guys posted with PMs, so check on top of the forum on the left if you received anything.

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Just for clarifications:

Poland can include in their decks:
- FÜRHUNGS UAZ
- WOZ ZAOP. URAL

- T34/85M1

- Piechota Zmech (Any transport)
- Saperzy Sturmowi (Any transport)
- Spadochroniarze (Any transport)

- 0T-64 Transports
- SKOT Transports

- Mi-2 URP Slamandra tech tree.

CSSR can include in their decks:

- FÜRHUNGS UAZ
- KOLOS

- 4VPZU (Any transports)
- Motostrelci (Any transport)
- Vysadkari (Any transport)

- DANA
- M53/59 PRAGA tech tree
- RM-70 only (Of the BM-21 GRAD)

- OT-810D

As you can see, those are quite limited, especially Poland.

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More Challengers will solve any issue.

You could have a different story with 2 USSR players (1 of the options for each) and then just 1 of either poland or checz.

For the time - we have a tournament match scheduled for 14th, so possibly 9 pm gmt or later would be still ok.

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If I may add my two cents ...


Many Czechoslovakian & Polish vehicules were not added in Wargame because already there as Soviet or East-German (the latter having Soviet doublet for the first solo operation).

So, if you want to make a real CSLA or LWP TO&E, you should allow them some "foreign" units.


You mean OT-65 Vydra.
I agree the CSLA shouldn't have the BRDM-2, but they should be able to field BRDM-1, for their variant of this vehicle, the OT-65 Otter (based on Hungarian D-442 FUG instead of original BRDM-1) was an improved version of the latter.


OK, even if I can't be 100% sure the CSLA didn't get some BM-21 before introducing its own RM-70 ...


OK.


Indeed, but with some restrictions ...
The TOPAS (Polish designation) & OT-62 (Czechoslovakian designation) were build in partnership by Poland & the CSSR. However, the last TOPAS variant (can't remember it's name right now) was actually only Polish (and if my memory is good, restricted to Polish naval infantry.
Same for the SKOT (Polish designation) & OT-64 (Cseckoslovakian designation). The SKOT-2 & SKOT-2AM were Polish-only variants, the latter only modified in very few numbers.

Besides, CSLA should be allowed to use:
UAZ-469 & UAZ-469 KPV (not the AGS-17 variant)
BTR-40
BRM-1 (to represent their own variant "radar reconnaissance BMP-1", the BPzV Svatava).
Mi-2
T-34/85
all T-55 (from the T-55AM, the CSLA variants are a bit different, but still close enough to do the trick ...)
TO-55 (not the TO-62)
both East-German T-72
both 2S7
all Osa
Kub
MT-LB Strela-10
UAZ-469 SPG-9 & Fagot (not the Konkurs variant)
all Soviet BRDM-2 ATGM
BMP-1 (first variant only)
BMP-2 (first variant only)
all Mi-8 (not the Mi-17)
Mi-24A, D & V (not 100% sure for the "V")
Fagot ATGM infantry
Strela-2 ATGM infantry

And of course, any unit I ain't mentionned already under the CSSR flag in the game ...


Indeed, but also the Mi-2D, which is actually produced in Poland.


OK.

But also:
UAZ-469 & UAZ-469 KPV (not the AGS-17 variant)
BTR-40
PT-76
all recon Mi-2
all T-55 but the AMV-1
TO-55 (not the TO-62)
both East-German T-72
2S7 Pion (not the Malka)
ZSU-57-2
ZSU-23-4 Shilka (first variant only, I don't remember its exact designation)
Kamaz ZU-23-2 (to represent their own "Hybnerit" ... sorry for the spelling error in that name)
MT-LB Strela-10
all Soviet BRDM-2 ATGM
ASU-85 (with the 6th Airborne Division)
BMP-1 (first variant only)
all BMP-2 (not the BMP-3)
all Mi-8 (not the Mi-17)
Mi-24A, D & V (not 100% sure for the "V")
Fagot ATGM infantry
Strela-2 ATGM infantry

And of course, any unit I ain't mentionned already under Poland's flag in the game ...


OK

To be fair, some of NATO's nation could do with doublets too:

UK:
M151 Command (pour la Land Rover S3)
MILAN F1 infantry team
Chaparral (to represent the Tracked Rapier, even if its stats would be a bit different)
MD Jupiter
M152 MUTT & FAV (for the Land Rover S3 variants, and the SAS one for the FAV)

GR:
Redeye & Stinger infantry
MILAN F1 infantry team
Both M110

Last but not least , FR:
Gazelle AH.1
M152 MUTT & FAV (for the M201 & P4 variants, and the SAS/1er RIMa one for the FAV)
MD Jupiter
M151 Command (pour la P4 PC)

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Hm I'd welcome if what MadMat said would get considered. Pact nations weren't designed to work out independent while Nato nations are. Polish are unable to do anything apart from Mi2 Spam and zergling rush and fielding the worst supply. Also the east germans are in general a cheaper more crappy copy of the russians so you also make a spam rush with cheap stuff. The Czech do have some really nice units but they become a arty and strop 2 only faction, or assist in the cheap stuff rush. Leaves us with the russian player who has to field for 1500 the fobs for everyone, the better helos, the arty, the high tier tanks, the better pact units not to forget the armored cv and in current WoN state the helo cv.

As for MadMats additional Nato units, german and france are the most potent army in the game so stop trolling the polish WoN player by making them better I tried to get a polish friend to buy wargame, he asked me how the polish are in it, well how should I put it he was not amused.

Either way I happily will play WoN.

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Well czeck can play good defense with their anti tank infantry and BMP 1P. So in genneral you have soviet player in main sector, german in secondary, polish (with czeck support) in defense/tertiary sector, while czeck does all the arty work (and supports polish with anti air and anti tank weapons).

Personally I think soviets are the strongest/most versatile faction in the game.

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